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i personally liked the shredders from the 2003 series, although it did bug me a lil at first, but then i fell in love with his voice :3 so eeeeeevil lol
I saw Nothing wrong with him being a alien.
"because each episode gives you at least 28 other reasons to love it more"
Well, we can't be sure yet.
In the TMNT 2003 series, we didn't find out that Shredder's an alien until the 3rd season or so.
I was with you right up until this... and then back with you again after.
Seriously, the 2003 series had the most threatening Shredder ever, alien or not. Let's see what this one has (and if HE isn't an alien) before we begin throwing such comparisons around. ;P
Who cares if he was an alien, he actually was a threat and well handled.
There were like four Shredders in the four kids version. Tengu Shredder was probably closest to the 80s and Mirage Comic ones...
TMNT 2003 was still a great show, though shredder was alien lol
I remember when Leo cut his head off and I was like "oooooohh" and next thing I know, shredder picks up his own head I was like WTF???
Not to mention he's also voiced by the the great Kevin Michael Richardson :D
Hey the 2003 cartoon was not bad.
well that's a relief
2k3 Shredder was awesome, but it was still a letdown to find out what he was.
Also, Shredder = Bulkhead (Transformers Prime) now (okay, it's just the same voice actor, Kevin Michael Richardson, but he's badass, so deal with it).
2K3 Shredder was THE BEST Shredder: I'm looking at you Uncle Phil Shredder
The idea in and of itself wasn't great, but I thought the way it was executed was brilliant. Also, it allowed us to see Leo BEHEAD somebody on the show, even if turned out later not to be a human.
I liked that idea.
To the previous show's credit, there was a "human" Shredder in that series' continuity. Granted, the original Oroku Saki was around during 300 A.D. and sold his soul for power, eventually becoming the Shredder (more specifically, "Demon/Tengu Shredder") that would inspire the alien (Ch'rell) to take up both the name and reputation of that Shredder (yes, the original Oroku Saki also conceived the original Foot Clan insignia).
Naturally, when Demon Shredder was revived in the 21st century, he actively sought out the imposter(s) who had the audacity of taking his name.
In closing, yes, there was a human Shredder in the 2003 series that was so badass, death could never truly hold him down and a some alien from another world was inspired by his tales of evil to take up the mantle and keep the legacy alive. That's gotta count for something.
It totally does.....plus the 2003 Shredder was a huge improvment to the 80s-90s Shredder who was a whiny coward
To the credit of the original cartoon, Shredder was not as whiny or as cowardly as he was portrayed in Turtles Forever. Granted, he was probably whinier than his 2003 counterpart, but he's no Antoine D'Coolette (from the SatAM Sonic series, but even he got over that character trait in the comics). As for his cowardly qualities, I cannot fully defend that. I'd like to think he was one of the more level-headed Shredders in the entire franchise since he had enough sense to retreat when the situation called for it, but he did fight the heroes on several occasions.
So after the first episode, you ASSUME he's not an alien? I bet you assumed in the 2003 series, too.
Just finished watching three episodes. At best, one can assume that the Kraang and the Foot Clan are not working together. Yet. We can also say that his scars are proof that Oroku Saki is very human. Then again, Shredder's ego is a constant throughout the TMNT mythos, so it would make some sense that he would be too proud to "fix" his Utrom shell.
OR...we're probably reading way too much into this and should probably just enjoy the ride. Besides, we can always talk about how Karai will turn out in this show...I'm betting on several things to occur with that character. :)
And yet still manages to be awesome
yeah having for different shredders in the 2003 series was a bit much. think i prefer this human shredder because of his faithfulness to the comics. so long as he's as badass as the 2003 version.
2003 series was the best maybe that was cause i grew up with it but even so it was still pretty badass!
think you got something mixed up
original cartoon : stupid human
2003: Intimidating alien
At least the 2003 Shredder wasn't Krang's bitch like the 80s Shredder.
That's because he WAS KRANG!
Your point? He's still infinitely better than 80s Shredder.
I thought this was Galactus for a second.
The 2003 Shredder was pretty kick butt. And that was before the reveal.
I don't know, the 2003 Shredder was actually more badass.
Now let's see if this Shredder retains the James Avery vocabulary. [=)]
Well Shredder is once again voiced by a big black man with a deep voice, Kevin Micheal Richardson. So it's a step in the right direction so far.
2003 series was awesome! I liked the twist.
I liked that twist too, I don't see why people always gripe about that. Hell, it was even foreshadowed in previous episodes.
That was one of the best part of the 2003 series! Every episode before the reveal gave some sort of hint of the Alien Shredder's origin.
So let me get this straight, everyone's ok with Shredder being an alien (which I didn't care either way) but everyone threw a fit cause Micheal Bay tried to make the Turtles aliens?
Shredder, or Ch'rell as his real name is, was part of the alien race, the Utroms, that created the ooze that mutated Splinter and the turtles into what they are, so the whole alien Shredder is fine with me because they didn't screw with the rest of the origin story. Besides, the original Shredder in the comic was quickly killed off at the end of the first issue, how else are the creators going to keep him alive while also adapting some of the story arcs from the original Mirage comics.
Well it IS fairly severe messing with the source material, so to speak. Fans tend to take issue with that stuff.
In the original comic Shredder was killed off at the end of the first freakin' issue, in the 1986 cartoon he started off promising but degraded quickly in the following seasons, I the 2003 cartoon he managed to be a competent, albeit crazy, threat throughout it's entire run. I see the whole "alien conquerer" thing as a bit of an improvement. I do not have a problem with this Shredder being human, I just hate people griping over 2003 variation.
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