And this is why the Gravity Formula is not "Iron Clad" and if it was, Goku would beat Superman.
I already calculated a strength feat, but for those people who still believe the Iron Clad Gravity formula, does this change you mind? Because that were to hold true, Goku wins in speed hands down. No denying it.
For all the people who have been reading my blog, I recently calculated that Goku could lift about 180 tons in his teenage form. This feat was accomplished near the end of DragonBall.
Read about it here
http://www.screwattack.com/news/goku-vs-superman-why-deathbattle-wrong-g...
So anyways, people have said that that doesn't change the outcome of DEATHBATTLE for Goku could never reach quintillion tons of lifting power. Yeah, probably true. I don't believe there is a measurable feat that I remember. But, those people are also going by what DeathBattle decided. The "Iron Clad" Gravity formula. This blog will post about how it affects Goku's SPEED.
I'll use this against you guys. For all the superman fan boys out there. Relish in the fake spotlight just a bit longer.
Gravity Formula
1G base x (gravity) x power multiplyer
For the Gravity, Goku, as previously mention was calculated to be about 180 tons. I calculated that with a previous feat. Read above if you have not read it already.
Goku weights 137 lbs.
180tons/137lbs =2627.8 times gravity
According to DeathBattle Goku could fly snake way at 11,000 km/hr at 10x gravity. They actually had it wrong in the video. It wasn't supposed to be 11000/10, but instead 11000x10. Do the math and the numbers come out right.
Plug in the new strength variable (2627.8) instead of the 586. And here are the new numbers.
Goku Base - (11000x10) x (2627.8) x no multiplier = 289,058,000 km/h
SS1 (50x mulitplier) - 14,452,900,000 km/h
SS2 (2x multiplier) - 28,905,800,000 km/h
SS3 (4x multiplier) - 115, 623,200,000 km/h
SS4 (10x multiplier) - 1,156,232,000,000 km/h (<--- that's trillion)
Light travels at approximately 1,079,252,848.8 km/h
Do the math.
1,156,232,000,000/1,079,252,848.8 = 1071.33 times the speed of light
So you are saying that me finding a better feat than "40 tons" doesnt matter? Well according to the theory you proposed, Goku is now moving literally a thousand times faster than light.
Still think Supernan can touch that? Cuz you know....according to Batman superman can only move about 17 times faster than the speed of light.
What should really blow you mind is that they are only compensating for Goku training under 10x gravity. We've seen him train under much much higher feats than that. I do believe he has trained up to 300x or so. So by proportion...Goku becomes even faster? Someone validate this for me. Really now.
What now? Deathbattle, this is disapointing. This is feels totally refutable.
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g1 DISCUSSIONS
ZMiles1472
You know what I'm reading? I'm reading Goku fans present sound, logical mathematics to validate their points and Superman fans try to belittle these points, except the Superman fans (with the exception of Heart of Steel) have absolutely ZERO math or logic behind their arguments. So, unless you have some solid, calculated numbers, or your screenname is Heart of Steel, your arguments hold absolutely no merit. Deal with it.
darkhyrulelord
Just saying, but have you considered SS4 form's mass? Who knows how much it is....
NeutroniumRanger
What about physics? If he is flying through a high gravity plain, it does not take strength for speed it would take strength for height and escape velocity. To build up flight speed he would have actually have had to train in a high DENSITY atmosphere as in space you have constant acceleration. Just because Goku trained in high gravity would not give him extra flight speed since he does not work off aerodynamics.
AkumaTh
Goku was only using 40 tons. He was not on King Kai's planet during that feat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8SfpOj6vmU
And you people call yourself DBZ fans.
Zongetsu
I know he wasnt on king kais planet. I was saying if he was on one like king kais planet. He is dead remember? He is one some heavenly planet that is known for sure, but we have no sense of what gravity he is under, and you know...that doesnt kinda change some things.
AkumaTh
Exactly.
Zongetsu
Does change somethings. My bad. The worst time to get have a typo lmfao
Heart of Steel
Fans of both will enjoy this. Goku's been re-calculated to fit for his final power level. 586 obviously wasn't enough of a factor. How about 1,000,000,000?
http://www.screwattack.com/news/final-analysis-superman-and-goku-w-power...
Heart of Steel
Okay, Zongetsu. I'll entertain you in your own blog with the exact same thing I posted on the actual wall. And no, I haven't crunched your numbers. I'll just go ahead and assume they're correct...
Goku can travel 1071.33 times the speed of light? Wow, that's crazy. Superman flew to Alpha Centauri and back in under 5 seconds. Alpha Centauri is 4.237 light years away so that's traveling 8.474 light years (just under 500 trillion miles) in 5 seconds.
That puts his speed in the hundred of thousands times the speed of light. I haven't calculated the exact number, but I'll do it when I have more time. But yeah...so...
Just another stat Goku loses in <_<
Zongetsu
You see, Im not sure who is more butt hurt here. Thats at term you guys like to use a lot for some reason. But one of the points in showing this math is to show how FLAWED this DEATHBATTLE was. So people like you really can stop being like "oh superman won, its official etc." Because already you have seen how flawed the Gravity formula is. Its not even good. Anything that could POSSIBLY make Goku stronger/faster in any way would make Goku insanely faster. For instance, Throwing out something DeathBattle said,
"Due to his style of training and Saiyan heritage, Goku increases his abilities proportionate to the amount of force he trains under."
Okay, for one, they calculated a feat when at the beginning of DBZ and used it to represent his whole character with no regard that his character progressively gets stronger. Not fair. You can believe in a progression in Superman all you want, but you have to realize he is ALWAYS as strong as he will ever be. The reason why he could beat Doomsday the second time was because like anyone we learn from our mistakes, he didn't exactly mean he got stronger/faster etc.
I calculated a feat in Dragonball. They used a feat right at the beginning of DBZ. I am using this to represent Goku at his peak 30 some years later? Yeah...totally fair right. Just like DEATHBATTLE, I am including no power levels, or scaling of any sort, just feats accomplished by the character.
I wasn't even done with Goku's speed. I just showed that it was wrong. Now back to the quote. It said Goku's speed increases proportionate to the gravity he trains under. So here, reason with me.
On King Kai's planet he trained under 10x gravity allowing him to fly 11,000km/h. We see goku train under 100x a short time later and if DeathBattle is right, his ability should change proportionate to the gravity he trains under....100x is 10x more than 10x.
Without even calculating, I KNOW that is a 100x increase.
Unless Deathbattle got their math wrong, their logic wrong, hell, I even compared, goku would then be moving at 1 million times the speed of light. So Superman would lose again.
I'm not sure why people think Im so "butt hurt" really. What is there to be butt hurt about? Being a die hard fan and celebrating a flawed victory? Okay. As I have said many places before, I am a fan of both. But I don't like the injustice done.
Judging Goku based on the "Iron Clad" formula? Yeah. You have to realize one of two things, one the Formula is wrong this battle isnt really over, or two, Goku is just that much faster than superman.