DEATH BATTLE Predictions: Cloud vs. Link
Were going balls to the wall to bring you our very first DB Prediction!
Welcome Deathbatttle Fans, to our very first, official Deathbattle Prediction blog! Where we will dig deep into the each fighter’s history and make a bold prediction about who would win a DEATHBATTLE!!!
…It has finally come…One of the most heavily requested Death Battles ever, a fight between the protagonists of two of the most fervently loved video game franchises in history. Zelda’s Link VS. Final Fantasy’s Cloud Strife.
Unsurprisingly, A LOT of people are excited for this. We here at the DEATH BATTLE fan blog team might have some personal match-ups we want to see, but from a popularity standpoint it's hard to think of a more suitable fight to analyze for our first large scale collaboration blog. Sit back as we look at these two iconic heroes’ weapons, armor, and skills to give our own opinions on one of the biggest fan-boy debates in history. As always we can only speculate on what the official DEATH BATTLE team’s verdict will be, but we’ll do our damndest in our speculation. IT’S TIME FOR A DEATH BATTLE!"
But before we begin, I would like to repost the official DEATH BATTLE Rules that have been featured in the credits of every episode so that we have better understanding of how things should play out.
Rules of DEATH BATTLE
So there’s the official rules. Now that we have that squared away, let’s get on with this!
Born in the mountain village of Nibelheim, Cloud is the arrogant and proud mercenary of Final Fantasy VII. At age 13 he joined the elite organization S.O.L.D.I.E.R, seeking to become a 1st class soldier, only to make it as an ordinary Infantryman. Eventually he was chosen as one of the test subjects for the Jenova Project. After a long series of events, Cloud’s psyche was eventually reformed to create many false memories, causing him to believe he was an ex-First Class Soldier turned mercenary for hire. Cloud has confronted many foes in his time, the most famous of them being his arch nemesis and war hero Sephiroth and is generally considered one of the most powerful protagonists to ever be in a Final Fantasy game.
The Hero of Time’s tale has been passed down throughout generations of Hyrule’s history with slight variations, but like any retold myth there are always recurring themes. Most incarnations of Link are usually depicted wearing a green tunic, a wind cap, and a trusty sword and shield. The main goal of these many incarnations, like any hero, is to protect their land from the dangers that threaten it. Throughout Zelda history Link has saved the land of Hyrule from the evil sorcerers Vaati, Agahnim, Veran and Onox, the demon lord Ghirahim, Demise, and of course Ganondorf Dragmire. He has mastered everything from swordplay, to archery, to magic, to sumo wrestling and is likely one of the deadliest characters to ever star in a Nintendo game.
Cloud has wielded several weapons throughout the games he has appeared in with his trademark weapon being the infamously massive Buster Sword. The most powerful of these swords is easily his Ultima weapon, a sword with an attack power dependent on Cloud’s vitality. Buster Swords measure as long as 6 feet, as wide as a foot and are capable of cleaving through solid steel, fending off large waves of enemies, and other amazing feats provided the right person is wielding it.
In Advent Children, Cloud replaced his standard Buster Sword with Fusion Swords, a set of six different swords that can combine into one or be used separately to suit the combat situation he is in. The Main Blade is used as the base that all other swords gather around and is Cloud’s primary sword. The Hollow Blade forms around the main blade, but can be used on its own in combat and is sturdy enough to deflect bullets and withstand Sephiroth’s Masamune. The Back Blades function together as straight edge, long swords. And lastly, the Side Blades are two short handed weapons, that can quickly be dispatched from the sword to give Cloud an off-hand sword and appear to add extra mass to his already massive sword.
Although Link is known for wielding a vast array of swords such as the Goddess Sword and the Magical Sword, none are more famous than his famed Master Sword. Also known as the Sword of Time and the Bane of Evil’s Blade, the Master Sword is an almighty blade, capable of destroying most magical barriers with a single swipe, and with the assistance of special medallions can summon pillars of fire, earthquakes, and freezing ice..
Throughout the incredibly long and convoluted lore of The Legend of Zelda, the Master Sword is almost always the final blade that Link receives and is said in legend to be the only blade capable of vanquishing the evil power of Ganondorf and his demonic alternate form of Ganon (Even though other swords can as well).
Another sword worth mentioning would be the Biggoron’s Sword. While it isn’t quite as massive a Cloud’s Buster Sword and isn’t Link’s prefered weapon, it has significantly greater reach than the Master Sword, deals twice the damage, but is lacking the Master Sword’s ability to vanquish evil, more sturdy shielded defense, and greater variety of techniques.
Not to mention that with the Four Sword (also known as the Picori Blade), his attack is increased by four because of the sword’s ability to create three identical duplicates (with duplicates of their weapons, as each Link still has a shield). Though they do tend to be in it for themselves at times, they do work together when needed.
While Link’s sword serves as his primary melee weapon, Link’s bow serves as his main projectile weapon.The Sacred Bow is generally regarded as his most powerful and is the only one capable of firing charged arrows that drill into his opponents. Light and Silver Arrows prove to be the most effective projectile weapons in the series and are capable of destroying even the most powerful forms of magic such as The Six Evil Barriers. Light and Silver Arrows were also instrumental in the many defeats of Ganondorf with Light Arrows wielding the ability to stun powerful foes, and with Silver Arrows possessing the strength to seriously damage and even kill the strongest of enemies. Along with this he can also use arrows imbued with ice, fire, and special exploding bomb arrows. There is a Crossbow variant of Link’s bow that lacks magically imbued arrows, but can shoot bomb arrows and special rapid-fire arrows.
His other weaponry consists of Bombs both standard and remote detonated, a Double Claw-Shot designed for increased mobility and grappling enemies, two Magic Rods, one of which can freeze enemies and the other being able to create a four directional fireball that deals twice as much damage as the Ultimate Sword which is the strongest sword in the game that this rod appears in, the Gale Boomerang capable of summoning up tornadoes, and a mighty Hammer (usually called the Megaton Hammer) capable of generating shock-waves throughout the earth and denting heavily plated armor.
Then there are his masks. The Giant’s Mask increases his size drastically, giving him a form strong enough to fight equally large monsters, but arguably his deadliest weapon is the Fierce Deity’s Mask. When activated Link is given an almighty god-like form capable of annihilating a being like Majora with ease. This version of Link wields a Double Helix Sword that can fire off a sword beam that does as much damage as the Great Fairy Sword and when he hits up close, both the melee strike and the sword beam do their own damage (8 times the damage). This mask is a force to be reckoned with.
There are many other weapons Link has used throughout the series. The guy is practically a walking armory, but those are likely to be his most useful combat items
After the Jenova project Cloud’s veins became surged with mako.The range superhuman powers this has given Cloud has varied in his games. On one hand there were points in Final Fantasy VII where he was hanging from a cliff and needed the assistance of others to pull himself up, on the other hand Advent Children buffed him to ridiculous levels of superhuman, the sort of stuff one would see in Dragon Ball Z. Advent Children typically showed him scaling large buildings while cleaving other ones apart.
He fights using the Buster Basher fighting style, a form of fencing that specializes in overpowering blows and high knockback. He isn’t the fastest character in the Final Fantasy/Dissidia cast, but he is one of the strongest and is still capable of pulling off numerous deadly combos.
And like most Final Fantasy heroes, Cloud has access to Limit Breaks, special techniques that can be performed once a special meter that builds from taking damage is filled. The bar fills up faster if Cloud is hit with a stronger attack rather than a weaker one. These attacks deal vary from a downward slash (Braver), the Blade Beam, summoning up 6 meteorites (Meteorain), creating a giant tornado (Finishing Touch), and the Omni-Slash, a technique consisting of 15 sword slashes all doing the equivalent damage of a critical hit. There are several variations of this technique, such as two with the Fusion Swords, one that performs 6 strikes with each blade and another that uses 13 strikes.
Limit breaks vary in Levels ranging from 1 (Braver) to 4 (Omni-Slash). Cloud can only have 1 Level of Limit Break equipped at a time and each level has only 2 attacks. The higher the Level the stronger the attack and the longer the bar takes to fill up, with Level 4 not completely filling up until damaged to the point of near death. However, if Cloud heals with a healing item the bar remains where it was prior to the healing.
He is one of the strongest Materia users among the Final Fantasy VII cast and has access to all types of strong magic, but seems to prefer fire and is capable of summoning up molten flame with the Fira spell and its two variants. This magic is however limited by the amount of MP he has, but given the number of MP recovery items he can hold, that won’t be a big deal provided he can access and use those items in time. Also, as Advant Children has shown, the Magic is straightforward so it can be detected. Another famous aspect of Final Fantasy is summons, but since summons are living separate beings, that assist in attacking opponents, they would be classified as outside help and as such aren’t available in DEATH BATTLE.
Although the canons and incarnations greatly vary, Link has been typically described as a young warrior in training. He often receives some training from a teacher, but it is usually very basic. Without his items, power-ups, and equipment, Link is not much stronger than your average adolescent male. Despite this however, even when not in possession of the Triforce of Courage he is strong enough to lift rocks as big as his own head and sumo wrestle his way to victory against much more heavyweight opponents. He even beat a Goron in Sumo Wrestling with the assistance of the Iron Boots.
The training he does receive has given him access to a variety of techniques.His Sword Beam allows him to fire a beam of energy when he is at full health. In contrast, the Peril Beam allows him to fire these beams when at the brink of death.
His famous Spin Attack allows him to spin his sword in a circle to deal twice as much damage as a regular blow and can be enhanced with Magic to increase its power and range at the cost of a little magic energy
When Link is focused on his target he can Parry an opponent’s attack by circling around them and striking from behind or by jumping up and striking their head.
When Link has an opponent knocked onto the ground he can perform the Ending Blow in which he jumps up and comes down onto the opponent with a stab to the heart.
His Shield Attack allows him to strike the opponent with his shield which can stun them and deflect ranged attacks. It also sets the opponent up to receive Links Helm Splitter which strikes the opponents head similar to one of his Parry Attacks.
The Back Slice is the same as his other Parry attack except that it can be executed right after a sideways dodge.
The Mortal Draw is a high risk high reward attack in which link must sheathe his sword and put away his shield and cannot focus on (Z-target) an enemy. If this criteria is met and an enemy draws near Link can spin around and unsheathe his sword to deliver a powerful strike that will kill almost all normal enemies in 1 hit. It can however be blocked and stronger enemies such as bosses will not be instantly killed by the Mortal Draw just heavily damaged.
His Jump Attack delivers an aerial strike that will deal twice as much damage as a normal blow. The Jump Strike let’s Link charge up this attack to release a shockwave that increases the attacks radius.
The Great Spin is a more powerful spin attack that can only be executed at full health.
The Great Spin Attack is a move that must be charged and allows link to move around and strike the opponent with consecutive spin attacks.
Link can also strike the opponent while dashing with the Pegasus Boots and rolling towards the opponent. He is also capable of performing an Up Thrust and Down Thrust when in the air.
Link also has 8 magic spells from Zelda 2 that he can use. But 3 of them are useless. The other 5 however are quite useful however.The Shield Spell increases Link’s resistance to damage. The Jump Spell makes Link jump higher. The Life Spell restores his life energy. The Fire Spell allows him to shoot Fireballs from his sword in place of Sword Beams, however the fireballs do not require Link to be at full health. Finally the Thunder Spell damages all enemies on screen who are not resistant to Magic, even bosses. While these spells are powerful, they still require Magic Energy to perform.
By far Cloud’s most valuable armor is the Ziedrich Bracelet, which halves the damage he takes from all forms of attack and boosts both his strength and defense all while costing no Materia. Unfortunately, due to a bug in the game the defensive bracelets in the game do not actually effect magic defense, but we can assume the intent was for this bracelet to give Cloud magical defense as well. Unfortunately, Cloud is unable to switch which armor he is using in battle and because of this only has access to one defensive bracelet.
He can’t use any other armor in Final Fantasy VII, but the Dissidia games gave him access to new types of headwear and armor. Of these new pieces of armor, his most useful ones are generally considered to be the the Genji Helm and Lufenian Chestplate. These armor pieces drastically boost Cloud’s HP and Bravery, but give no apparent defense boosts.
His standard S.O.L.D.I.E.R uniform doesn’t offer much defense, but Cloud has proven he can take an assortment of abuse, like when he somehow survived being stabbed directly in the chest by Sephiroth. He also has a variety of healing items at his disposal with the most valuable ones being the Hi-Potion (fully restores HP), Turbo Ether (fully restores MP), Elixir (fully restores HP+MP), the barrier creating Lunar and Light Curtains, the Hero Drink that temporarily boosts his base stats by 30%, and a Mirror that reflects attacks back at enemies. All of these items disappear after 1 use, but Cloud can carry as many as 99 of them and is only limited to how many times he can use the Hero Drink.
While Link’s Standard armor consists of a measly Green Tunic he possesses MANY other forms of defense like the Magic Armor, capable of making him immune to damage for as long as he wears it and has Rupees in his wallet. This Magic Armor drains 2 of Link’s rupees per second and when he runs out not only can he take damage again but the Magic Armor also becomes as heavy as the iron boots. Still, with a wallet of 9900 rupees that means he has a total of 82.5 minutes of damage immunity with this armor alone.
Link also possesses several magic items capable of making him immune to damage. The Guardian Potion+ makes him immune to damage for 3 minutes after he drinks it and when combined with the Potion Medal this doubles to 6 minutes. There is also his Nayru’s Love Spell that makes him immune to damage for as long as he has Magic Energy. And when he drinks the Chateau Romani he gains unlimited magic energy for 3 days at the least! Wind Waker gave him one of his most useful potions, the Elixir Soup. This potion not only restores all of his hearts, not only doubles his strength until he takes damage, not only completely restores his magic stamina, but features two helpings in one bottle.
Link has also occasionally received a gift from the great fairy that halves the damage he takes from attacks and is equipped with a Red Ring that cuts the amount of damage he takes by ¼. As if his defense couldn’t get any greater, his Mirror Shield is capable of deflecting nearly all magical and physical attacks from opponents. There are also magical fairies he will keep in a bottle who revive him, but since these fairies are separate beings, we can assume it counts as outside help and therefore can’t be allowed to be used in DEATH BATTLE. Instead, Link has the Magic Potion, a potion that is pre-emptively rubbed over Link and fully restores his HP when he has lost all hearts and the Purple Potion, which has the same basic revival properties a fairy in a bottle would have, but without the outside help. Since the Magic Potion is pre-emptively rubbed across Link it doesn’t take up any inventory space, technically giving him a 5th potion.
These many defenses Link has at his disposal are made all the more impressive with the Power Bracelets. The name of this item varies from game to game, but the power is the same basic thing, this wrist-wear gives Link a constant strength boost enough strength to match the toughest Goron. With this he can move giant pillars and lift boulders many times his size. This power is backed by his Pegasus Boots, which also allows him to dash at speeds fast enough to crash through solid rock at the cost of a lack of control over the direction he’s moving. And to top this all off, he has access to both the Magic Cape that makes him completely invisible to the human eye provided he has magic available and Roc’s Cape that allows him to jump and soar great heights.
Cloud’s Motorcycle, Fenrir, is a four-wheeled motorized vehicle with extraordinary maneuvering capabilities and with a combination of polished black metal over brushed gold mechanics. On either side of the front tires is an expandable compartment that fits all pieces of the Fusion Swords, or the sword's fully completed form. It can reach 250 MPH, reverse easily, and can keep itself upright and driving even without a driver. But like a motorcycle, it does have a limited fuel supply (how much is unknown) and can not come to Cloud's aid when called.
Epona is Link’s trusted steed. She was a wild and untamed horse that only Malon can get close to. But thanks to Malon, Link eventually makes a connection with the horse. If Link plays Epona's Song on his ocarina, Epona will come to Link. But it can only be used in places Epona can reach. Also, since she is a horse, she has the strength and weaknesses of a horse. So while not as fast as Fenrir, she can come to Link’s aid when needed and has an easier time to recharge. Also note that Epona does not attack. So she is considered a vehicle, not outside help.
It's also well known that Link posesses a Crimson Loftwing in Lengend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, but since the rare bird is capable of attacks, he is not applicable in the fight.
- At base, Cloud has superior speed and strength.
- Cloud is very durable.
- Fenrir is faster and able to last longer than Epona in movement.
- More mobile than Link.
- Magic is very straightforward.
- Mainly uses his sword(s) and magics, so no variations beyond that.
- Defense isn’t a fraction as good as Link’s even with his super-human abilities.
- Fenrir is a motorcycle, thus unable to act on its own.
- Phoenix Downs are worthless in a one on one fight.
- No access to summons.
- Deadly Limit Breaks can only be used when damage to the point of near death is received
- Has more ways of attacking outside the sword and magic and a wider variety of ways to get in on the opponent overall.
- Vastly superior defenses.
- Fierce Deity puts him in a god-like state.
- Four Sword gives him three clones to fight alongside him.
- Epona could act on her own.
- 2 means of revival, even after demise.
- Link’s dependence on the Items. Without them, Link is just an average person with a sword and shield.
- Generally has less speed and strength than Cloud even with the Power Bracelets and Pegasus Boots.
- Four Sword duplicates sometimes get in the way.
- Epona is a horse, thus can only last so long.
Since we are nearing the end of this blog, it now time for you to hear our overall opinions about how the fight will play out. Do you agree? Let's find out.
"Link has a huge arsenal of weapons and armor on his side. When put together, he is literally a monster on the battlefield. Cloud may have a speed advantage, but nothing in Cloud’s arsenal can get passed Link’s defenses. With wider ranged magical attacks as well as numerous options to attack, Link has this match in the bag."
"I understand that on the surface Cloud’s over-the-top DBZ powers from Advent Children seems to make him the clear cut winner, but the biggest challenge I see him facing is the simple fact that this Link he is fighting is a composite version of the strongest attributes of every Link throughout Zelda history. Along with his standard equipment/defenses that reduce all damage he takes by 75%, Link has at least 3 item combinations that can make him temporarily indestructible, with the most useful one by far being Nayru’s Love combined with the Chateau Romani.
I predict Cloud’s superior strength and speed will make the fight start in his favor, but when Link begins activating his more long lasting power ups and mixing him up with his staggering variety of weapons Cloud will eventually be overwhelmed. If Link’s standard Master Sword doesn’t work, he’ll bring out his more effective Biggoron’s Sword, Golden Sword, and Four Sword. If those don’t work he’ll try magic spells and his other standard weaponry like bombs and arrows. If those don’t work he’ll have the Giant’s mask available, to over-power even Cloud’s super-human strength, and if that doesn’t work he’ll have the god-like power of the Fierce Deity at his disposal. All of this is backed by the ridiculous amount of defensive and recovery items he holds. Cloud can hold a large number of recovery items too, but the key difference is Link will only need to take the Chateau Romani and activate Nayru’s Love in order to not worry about damage for a LONG time. If Cloud wants to keep up with Link’s defensive endurance he’ll have to constantly be using his recovery items to stay in the game. And whenever his health drops too low so will the attack power of his Ultima Weapon.
There is no way this fight will end without there being at least one pissed off fan, but that’s how DeathBattle roles sometimes and if you want my verdict, the fact that this is a composite Link gives him the edge. Any lone incarnation of Link I don’t think would stand a chance against Cloud, but when combined into a composite form Link is a completely defensive and versatile powerhouse."
Samurai Spartan 7000
"When predicting the outcome of things like this, there seems to be a hell of a lot of assumptions. For example. #1 We are assuming that the Link in question is a "composite" of sorts that represents the traits possesed by all Links in all canons. #2 We are also assuming there is no standing distinction between "Link" and "Toon Link" in this particular fight. #3 We are assuming Ben or Chad won't bring the laws of physics into the equation when considering how many items each fighter can have.#4 And the most dangerous assumption we have made here, is idea that we have truly covered ALL of their most powerful traits and or items. I mean, damn, there's just so much to look through with these two characters!
Looking past the assumptions however, I predict that the way the consumable items will be handled will make the biggest difference in the fight. Both possess items that would make it seem like they could achieve perpetual invincibility given that they could consume or equip their items with unchallenged ease. But they will be in the middle of a fight, and whether or not they will be able to use their itmes so easily during combat is a very hazy subject. You also gotta realize that the notion of such things cannot be based on whether or not a player can pause their game and change Cloud or Link's statuses while time is stopped.
I would imagine that during the fight, both of them would start to catch on to the fact they can stop their opponent from healing themselves. But I digress. I cannot really say for sure, but with the facts presented and the way we have presented them, I am going to have to look upon Link in favor of winning.
There are just aren't many characters out there that can maintain the power of invincibility for the amount of time Link can and there are even fewer characters that can trump that power.
I have to admit I had different opinions coming into this, but now I can safely say there is good reason people should be putting their money on Link."
"With a vast amount of defenses that give him either superhuman durability or complete invincibility for long periods of time, the ability to gain unlimited magic, and a wide array of deadly weapons, my money is on Link."
So there is our prediction for who we think will win the upcoming DEATH BATTLE! But if you thought the predictions end here think again. Psb123 asked people to predict what music we’d be hearing in the upcoming DEATH BATTLE! Thank you to everyone who gave predictions. He will post another article very soon about the results. So look out!
Thanks to all the fans who are keeping up with us and we hope this is just the beginning of many great thins to come! Thanks again and stay screwy!
I’m not sure if this information might help clear things up when it comes to Status Effects on Link. Link has already shown resistance to status effects like those caused by the Twilight Realm in Twilight Princess. The Triforce marking on Link’s hand transformed him into a wolf because it was foretold by prophecy while Zelda’s marking left her retain her human form. We know these markings are sent as a sign showing that they are favored by the gods and that they wield a piece of the Triforce. Interesting to note that they don’t have to possess a fragment of the Triforce for the markings to show or work as seen in Zelda II when it shown up on Link without him holding any of the Triforce pieces. So immunity to status effects (or some) seem to be a blessing by the gods though to what extent is still unclear.
We can deduce that some effects like Slow and Stop can also be countered by the Mirror Shield, Reflect Spell, Ocarina of Time, Harp of Ages, help from Ciela, and other such options.
“Reflect - Reflects most magic used against them at caster or to the opposing battle party.” — Final Fantasy Wikia
Some effects cannot be reflected by spells but it is unclear if they can be reflected by items like the Mirror Shield. Other status effects can raise a few questions but here is the best I can figure out. Poison, Blind, Confuse, Curse, etc., all have a probability of missing their intended target. They are also very unlikely to aid in a boss battle. Try poisoning Sephiroth and what do you get?...no results. And this is Sephiroth a humanoid being like Link. One possessing Jenova cells the other blessed by the gods.
“The Final Fantasy series, like most RPGs, has status effects, or conditions which affect a character's attributes or actions, for better or for worse.”
“In Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2, status ailments are classified into three categories: Debuff which hinders target's stats (Debrave, Deprotect, Deshell, Imperil, Poison, and Dispel), Debilitation which hinders target's ability to act (Slow, Fog, Pain, Curse, Daze), and None which accuracy to hit can't be modified by passive abilities (instant death).”
“Final Fantasy VII - Poison periodically inflicts Poison-elemental physical damage upon the afflicted unit and does not remain after battle. It can be cured using an Antidote and Remedy items, Poisona and ESUNA spells and White Wind and Angel Whisper Enemy Skills, as well as Aeris's status healing Limit Breaks.”
So we see that status effects can be cured by a variety of different ways. But if they were to have an effect on Link I think I found something that can cure all (or most) status effects. The SONG OF HEALING.
"This is a melody that HEALS EVIL MAGIC and troubled spirits, turning them into masks." — Happy Mask Salesman (Majora's Mask)
“Esuna, also known as HEAL, Remedy, and Clear, is a recurring spell in the Final Fantasy series. When cast on a character, it will remove most abnormal status ailments.”
This song heals Darmani’s spirit by yielding a mask that Link can wear to protect the Gorons. Then the song heals Mikau by granting Link his power in order to help save the Zora eggs from the pirates. But the most interesting status effect healing goes to Pamela’s Father who received a STATUS EFFECT and was saved by the Song of HEALING. The HEAL Spell has different effects through Final Fantasy games but include raising depleted life points by summoning fairies and REMOVING STATUS EFFECTS. Seeing how the song can be used to both heal would and status effects, it is most likely a solution to any (or most) status effects Link were to undergo. Possibly even changing the status effect into a Mask as it did with Pamela’s Father. This might clear up some confusion about status effects on Link.
Here's my overview.
Strength: Without the power gloves, the twilight princess version of LInk was able to wrestle Gorons, and able to stop a rolling Dangora (a super Goron atleast 5 time the size of an average one) pick him up, and throw him in lava. Dangora weighs at least 10 tons, probably more. Dangora was also wearing armor, which would increase his weight greatly due to its size. Also Link is able to lift and use effectively the Megaton hammer in Ocarina of Time, something only the original Goron Hero who defeated Volvagia did before him. WIth the golden gauntlets Link can lift gigantic pillars and toss them across entire areas. These pillars weigh at least 30 tons.
Cloud: Cloud hasn't shown much strength in terms of lifting. However Cloud was a Jenova test subject giving him superhuman strength. Cloud was able to punch Sephiroth through a stone wall, but probably his biggest feat his how easily he cuts through stone and buildings and how fast he can swing a gigantic buster sword. Cloud's striking velocity with a larger sword shows he has an edge in strength.
Speed: Link: Link has shown incredible speed in cut scenes in certain games. In Skyward Sword, Ghirahim destroys Impa's shield, by the time Ghirahim finish's his barrier destroying blow, Link is already in the air jumping to attack him. Ghirahim's barrier went down a moment before he destroyed Impa's barrier, meaning Link traveled half the bridge (20 meters) in a mere moment. Also in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Link charges Mario after seeing an evil Zelda defeated by Mario. He travels from 50-100 meters in about 2 seconds. At a minimum Link goes atleast 90 Kilometers per hour or 56 miles per hour. Link has the reflexes to reflect magical blasts and arrows, and dodge lasers. Link's speed is further enhanced by the pegasus boots, but he can only run in one direction with these. Link also has shown great acrobatics with the ability to easily do several incredibly quick flips to dodge enemies
Cloud: Although Cloud's top running is superhuman, as Cloud is able to run up a falling building, but his reflexes are what is most impressive. Cloud has the ability to deflect bullets with his sword, and some of the best reflexes in the entire Final Fantasty universe. In Advent Children, he has insane sword swinging speed, and has unprecedented reaction time. Also Cloud has amazing acrobatics, running, jumping and doing insane flips and spins to dodge enemy attacks.
Durability: Link: Link has shown insane durability, even with his standard green tunic. He can't take point blank bomb explosions, fall from several stories, walk on burning hot surfaces, be electrocuted and ran over by huge beasts, and just shake it off. He also took blasts from Ganondorf and Vaati as a child and survived. Not to mention with his numerous armors, and shields, Link is nearly invulnerable. The mirror shield not only can block attacks, but reflect them. Link also can cast Naayru's love he creates an impenetrable barrier.
Cloud: Cloud has insane durability as well. Cloud is often smacked around, but more importantly, he has been stabbed multiple times, directly in the stomach, and has survived. More importantly, he still was able to fight. However, Cloud has little armor, has no shield, and has to rely on barriers and his sword deflecting abilities to prevent from being damaged.
Items: Link: Link has a huge list of items. Aside from his master sword (evil's bane), he has the biggoron sword, a larger, longer and more fatal sword. Also he has the claw shots, shields, magical rods, capes, boots, gauntlets, bow and arrows and bombs. He also can combine his weapons like bomb arrows, but you can read the above if you want to know more about it. Link most importantly has masks. His best mask is the fierce deity mask, turning him into a being with god like powers. He has several more, but I won't get into that.
Cloud: Cloud mostly relies on his buster sword, which is enhanced into a fusion sword. The fusion sword is above, but he has the ability to use up to 6 swords. He can create deadly attacks such as the Omni-slash with these extra blades, but aside from that his items vary a lot less.
Magic: Link: Link has several magic abilities. He can turn invisible, teleport, create searing fires, create barriers, enhance his attacks, create blocks, freeze, cause earthquakes, cause storms, and much more. He also can infuse weapons with magic such as light arrows.
Cloud: Cloud has several magical or materia based attack. Like mentioned above he has the omni slash, limit breaks and fira. He also can cast barriers. Cloud however does not have as varied magic as Link.
Fighting Ability: Link: Link receives little formal training, however he prove his abilities in battle. He can master the use of items instantly. He also has the tri-force of courage, making him very resilient and never afraid of any battle. Link has been able to defeat powerful race destroying monster since he was a little boy. As a little boy, he could even defeat Majora, who was a demo capable of destroying all of Termina and was able to move the moon. Although Link normally receives little formal training, in twilight princess he learns acrobatic moves from the hero shade.
Cloud: Cloud originally wasn't much of a fighter. At the end of Crisis core, Cloud inherited his friend Zack's abilities and memories due to being apart of the Jenova project. With the abilities of a first class soldier, Cloud has tons of formal training under the most powerful warriors. He is insanely quick, and has mastered using his sword. He has defeated some of the most feared monsters in Final Fantasy, and defeats Sephiroth, even after Sephiroth gains godly powers. Due to Cloud's formal training and the fact he has gained Zack's memories and abilities, Cloud takes this.
From my 6 main categories, each fighter takes 3. I personally like Link more so I give him the benefit of the doubt, but Cloud could easily take it as well.
I personally think the Giant's mask shouldn't be used since you have to trade it for the Fierce Deity Max, also it isn't great for fighting. Not only does it not increase strength and only durability, but he loses the ability to use items and lock on, so he wouldn't be very effective. Also Link has super human strength without the gloves, well at least in Twilight Princess, he can wrestle Gorons, not to mention when he fought Dangoro (essentially an insanely powerful Goron, who is is tall as 5 links and weighs atleast 10 tons, possibly more), he was able to stop Dangoro when he rolled into Link at full speed, lifted him up and tossed him into lava. Cloud has shown better abilities to have more powerful sword strikes, or at least quicker though. Cloud hasn't shown great lifting abilities and the very best he could punch Sephiroth through a wall. Not to underwhelm Link's striking abilities, Link can cut through gold and stone in some games. Anyways Death Battle seems to undermine Link's strength a bit, but they gave him Pegasus boots and Power Gauntlets.
My problem with Sonic is that we don't even know what is his maximum speed suppose to be and I don't believe sega knows either. They did say that rings, speed booster devices, and etc. do make Sonic go faster but never says how fast or ever state what is sonic natural top speed. I am aware about sonic's speed enhance equipments that increase sonic's speed but they are used for attacks only. I would prefer side which has better concrete information instead of possible speed Sonic would have.
I am aware about Flash's speed and his famous technique moves but my info about the batman family and Deathstroke taking down flash still stands because they have taken down villains who have super powers. Another thing is Flash can't detect surrounding area which Batman and Deathstroke would often use the area for the purpose of stealth or setting up a trap. The problem with Flash is that deathstroke had encounter him and other surface speedsters which did allow him to have better understanding. Since Deathstroke gain this knowledge and experience, he is brought down not only Flash but Impulse as well. Do you recall that Deathstroke and Batman prefer to study enemies weakness? Batman have stated that he have made countermeasure if any of the justice league members when any were to become corrupted.
Anyway what I see is that Flash is not much of tactician which he relies heavily on his speed. I have read other characters that defeated Flash's incarnations as well through out the series. The key weakness for Flash is surface (mainly need to get started on land) speedster which Hulk and Mongul created earthquakes to defeat Flash. Even Flash defeated professor Zoom by freezing the ground. You can say some writers may wrote errors on Flash but at the same time these writers made him look good as well. It is not like they made him stand still, forget what he can do, or have mental break down in most battles.
both fast as hell and becorse it can !! ^^
Unsurprisingly, A LOT of people are excited for this. We here at the DEATH BATTLE fan blog team might have some personal match-ups we want to see, but from a popularity standpoint it's hard to think of a more suitable fight to analyze for our first large scale collaboration blog. Sit back as we look at these two iconic heroes’ weapons, armor, and skills to give our own opinions on poems about life one of the biggest fan-boy debates in history. As always we can only speculate on what the official DEATH BATTLE
i now thats why it choose them ^^
the battle will be mostly starting in clouds favor because he has a fast ride, but after that is over, epona can think for itself. although cloud has a better base speed and attack, with links items it won't be long until the tide turns in his favor.
it may get very close, but link can summon his clones, use his biggoron's sword, and even become almost unstopable with Fierce Deity. all in all, link has a clear advantage in my eyes.
there are a lot of them, but there can only be a 1 vs 1 match (exept eggman and wiley with their robot armies) so if they think of choosing 1 it will be a tough choice.
the other fights you picked are good, but i really want to see wheatly vs glados or terminator vs glados.
Dark Pit, Meta Knight, Bass, Shadow the Hedgehog, Ganon’s Puppet, Shadow Queen Peach, Evil Ryu, Oni Akuma, Shadow Lady Chin-Li, Shadow Charlie, and so many more.
what?? it wout be funny ^^ (rainbow dash wins OFCORSE) but the other ones you like them??
i agree on the wheatly vs glados thing, but why rainbowdash vs sonic?
battle of the shadows, shadow mario, dark link, and dark samus.
the terminator vs glados, alexander anderson vs wolverine, L vs sherlock homes, sargent sagura vs sargent gururugi, blade vs alucard, left 4 dead vs dead island, kira vs zero, rainbow dash vs sonic, ezio alditore vs the prince of persia, herkules vs the hulk, kenpatchi vs akuma, spy (tf2) vs zoroark, wheatley vs glados, satan vs seth, lich king vs diablo
New poster here. I have to say, after seeing what's available for both parties, I think Link definitely has the upper hand. The sheer durability and staying power that is that elf is amazing. Invincibility for over an hour? Technically for over three days with Nayru's Love plus unlimited magic.
In regards to Geon, I think they won't allow the Phoenix materia as it is considered outside help. Deathblow, 4x Cut, and Ultima are all kept in check by one limiting factor: The game's cap on damage. To my knowledge, Death Battle has always tried to keep true to the character's abilities and if the game arbitrarily sets that handicap, there's very little way around it. I also think that Cloud's high offensive power does little when the final damage amount is simply multiplied by 0. Haste is a boon to Cloud ONLY IF he has a way past Link's invincibility. During the time that Cloud is casting it, Link can easily activate his armor or utilize a certain potion to give him three days of invincibility via Nayru's Love.
More: well he has to clear his hands where Clouds speed comes in and Cloud can hit Link while Link is switching weapons
if link hasn't already frozen him with the master sword first to slow down time
If Link got the chance before Cloud was right in front of him attacking where Link was on the defencive frist
Link starts all of his fights with his shield up, and remember this is given the scenario where both people can prepare themselves before they fight.
Then you give Link an upper hand. I say they should start with the Lowest everything and then they have to equip themselves as they go. Cloud would go Ultama Sword and its over before Link has a chance to switch plus remember Clouds sword can go through metal so he can go through the basic shield, armor, and sword of Link
Not quite, link has superior training if you fuse all of his childhood techniques from windwaker, minish cap, and skyward sword, he'd be able to shove clouds first strike off, then the real fight would begin, you have to think that part through.
Link has his invincibility armor, his mirror shield, his invincibility potion, bracelet of strength, fire earings, pre applied purple potion, fierce diety mask, and nayru's love spell, impenitrable defence once untill he runs out of rupees.
though links little chicken attack is a little cheap since its outsided help lol
true, verry true, but they.re also just comprehensions of the full characters from link to the past and down, and earlier gameboy versions of Final fantasy
if summons were allowed then Link woud be screwed in the first 5 seconds can we agree on that?
Maybe, only if link isn't already wearing his greedy armor
its called the instant kill Odin materia and plsu the pheonix down equition from FF7:CC would bring Cloud back multiple times as long as cloud keeps using them and plus cloud can do whatever Zack did so i think 1,000,000 to 1 and only not able to kill 3 would work in clouds favor lol
Link also has his fierce diety mask, and giant mask, not to mention his potions, extra weapons, spells, and his fire proofing earings. anything fire would just go around him, his skill is increased 5 fold. If he's wearing his red tunic underneath his greedy invincibility armor while he has money he'd not only technically be invincible, but he'd also get that extra 1/4 less damage, which would mean he'd gain health when cloud strikes (By technicality anyway.). along with this he has several songs on his ocarina, wind waker, and others...(too many to list), all he would simply have to do is play the song of time backwards to slow cloud down, and to get the time to play it he could temporarily freeze cloud with the ice tablet for the master sword or shoot him with an ice arrow. (plus the song of time would only revert time to normal if link plays the song forward again.) Link also has extra speed with his pegasus boots, not to mention they reduce his body weight by 4/5, he could probably get the edge in the air. more hold plus he has hiss mirror shield which deflects all magic and most physical attacks.
Cloud doesnt have to power up his limit breaks so he can use them the whole time and his ultimate attack can win over anything. strength of mind and arm can win against gear. plus Link can only have a few items at a time and some wont work together
ok, Red tunic + greed armor (works) Strength ring (always on) mirror shield (standard equip), Ice tablet (Automatic equip on sword), occarina (hanging at his waist), his choice of mask (hanging at his waist), purple potion (pre-applied revival), wallet of rupies (hanging at his waist-auto slot in games), pegasus boots (standard equip). and on top of that the wind waker automatically apears in the wielders hand- with this he can use the winds to knock cloud over.
--(my convo with a friend over this topic)--
They have missed so many of Cloud's more powerful materia it is uderly sickening. Ultima (spell), Regen(spell), DeathBlow(skill), Haste(spell), 4X Cut (skill), Final Attack materia coupled with phoenix=invincible, Comet, Mimic(skill), I mean come on. At least give him a chance and don't assume that he's gonna get pasted here. And if Link is able to carry what he does in his games then Cloud should have access to 16 materia slots and all materia, hence he could use the w-materia's and have all the spells in the game at his disposal. They also forgot to add the highwind and little bronco as vehicles.
let me try to summarize what I learned in here and what I currently know.
Cloud: -bigger sword -physical abilities are more superior than link (reflexes, muscular buffs) -sword mastery -durability -just stated here on this one, cloud's magic is straight-forward and predictable -no access to summons -fans keep controlling him on putting certain materia(XD) weapons: buster sword Ultima weapon Fusion Swords
Link: -masters different weapons -better equipment -relies on his inventory -composite Link might not be allowed weapons(since Link has a lot, I'll just put here what he commonly uses): -swords -shields -arrows -bombs hookshot boomerang
my opinion: the problem with link here is that the weapons mentioned is only available in certain games like his masks. In fact, due to the many reincarnations of Link, they might only use Link's most popular incarnation, just like they did to Rogue. Link's dependence on his inventory can be a downside, I agree, unless they allow such equipment from different games just like this one, then cloud wouldn't stand a chance. You may say I'm underestimating Link here. So I'm going to list some of the advantages he can do during the fight. Link can shoot on long distances with his arrows. He can also go scorpion with his hookshot. his mirror shield can block magic attacks. I don't know much about his magic attacks so I don't have anything to say about it.
As for Cloud, his durability and speed is his advantage. According to the movie, he can jump to great heights cut through steel with his buster sword, and survive a stab while hanging in the air (or maybe he survived because he's the main character XP). The reason he can do these feats is he became part of the jenova experiment, increasing his reflexes and buffs him up. Also, remember that the limit break is only for RPG purposes only, meaning he doesn't need to take damage/get hit in order to use braver, he can use them at will. As we see in Dissidia, we always see Cloud as a melee fighter. So he is limited to his magic attacks.