DEATH BATTLE Predictions: Goku vs. Superman
“It was on the 19th of the 9th month of the 12th year of the new millennium that the wise yet dim-witted strategist from the mystical land of Minnesota prophesied the end! Gather around lurkers of the internet as I tell the tale, of the almighty fan boy apocalypse!
In a distant past there existed two yonder lands, America and Japan. Though very different in culture the tales their people told had their similarities. The two most popular tales of these lands, the ones so great they brought about an entire medium of enjoyment for their youth were those of the America's legendary Supermanicus and Japan's warrior Gokules. The stories told of powerful beings, millions of times stronger than normal men, from distant worlds that span elsewhere in the skies, the inevitable arrival of these warriors on the land that is earth, and their eventual defense of the planet they grew to love.
In the earlier times neither individual was known outside of their own land, but then the world began to change. Its different people began to communicate. Followers of Gokules appeared in America and Supermanicus became known throughout the land for his ridiculous OP as shit strength!
Inevitably the question was raised, 'which one is stronger'? Silence fell upon reality when the question was asked. Men and women, intelligent men and women at that came forth with their answer, reasoning, and their own conviction, but it was all for naught. The great Wizard Wizardington and his partner Booma Stickema analyzed these answers and with all of them found flaws, all of them, EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS FLAWED! It was when looking at these flaws that his objective became clear. To create the flawless, indisputable theory of which character would truly and undoubtedly win a DEATH BATTLE!
The one they chose as the victor matters not. For whatever choice they chose, the enigmatic annihilation of existence would come and with it the agitated bitterness of the fanboys. Death and Shinigami had never feasted as much as they had on that day and Anubus had never had so many guests. Pabilsag's long duty as guardian of the sun had finally ended and Lampades' torch was relinquished from him!
But these ends were really only the beginning! Bile, flame, and ferocity flew freely among the warrior's followers! In the final dying words of Wizardington, he ushered with the last of his power, "The winner is...Hatred". Because no matter the winner, be it Supermanicus or Gokules that was the true winner, hate, HATRED CONSUMED ALL! But none listened. As time and reality warped around one another, there existed only two sole survivors...And they endlessly repeated the same two, archaic, worn-out phrases!
GOKU IS BETTER *Fan boy Rage*
NO SUPERMAN IS BETTER *Fan boy Rage*
This prophecy is not the delusions of a drugged-up, Northern American oracle, these events shall come. It was carved within the Dragon Balls and is written in kryptonite stone...”
Basically if there were ever something that epitomized the internet’s tendency to take seemingly insignificant, nerdy things and make them the MOST SERIOUS SHIT EVER this would be it! All of us here at The Official DEATH BATTLE Fan Blog know we won’t get out of this prediction blog without a death threat or two, regardless of who we predict will win, so we’re going all out! No opinions will be held back, all you will see is what we predict will be DEATH BATTLE’s cold, dead truth they present in their 25th, be all, end all DEATH BATTLE of Superman VS. Goku! And after we’ve done that you all can murder us to your heart’s content. All we can really do from that point forward is pray, PRAY this Fanboy apocalypse doesn’t come earlier than expected and that comments/debate remains respectful.
So get ready, and find some fucking tables to flip, BECAUSE IT’S TIME FOR A...
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Son Goku was born Kakarot (Kakarotto in Japan) on the planet Vegeta. Like all Saiyan babies, he was sent to a planet to kill everyone there and have it ready to be sold. On Earth, he was found by Gohan (his Adopted Grandfather) and was raised by him. Goku was violent until he bumped his head. After that, he became a nice kid (Proving concussions can straighten a troubled kid out).
Goku soon began training and after Gohan's death, lived alone for a while until Bulma found him. That soon begins a long story where he learns about fighting under Master Roshi and King Kai, learns that he is an alien from a destroyed world, and discovers the legendary Super Saiyan Forms 1-4. He also died a couple of times but that really isn't important. Death has little meaning in the Dragonball universe.
Superman was born Kal-El on the alien planet Krypton. His parents became aware of Krypton's impending destruction and sent their son to Earth to escape their planet's doom. The spacecraft carrying young Kal-El landed on Earth where it was discovered by John and Martha Kent. They raised the baby as their own and named him Clark Kent.
After discovering his powers, thanks to his upbringing, Clark used them to help people in trouble and capture criminals. He soon moved to Metropolis to continue his hero-ing ways while using the Clark Kent disguise to work as a reporter at the Daily Planet. And thus begins the adventures of Superman.
These two aren’t known for using weapons, but they do have access to such things. We doubt they’ll be brought up in the official Death Battle Analysis or the fight, however felt we should at least mention them.
While Goku prefers to use his hands, he does have access to two helpful tools. The Power Pole is a magical length changing staff that originally belonged to Korin, the proprietor of Korin Tower. It can extend to extreme lengths, capable of reaching the moon from Earth. It is very durable and unable to break, even against swords.
The Flying Nimbus is a magical, yellow cloud that serves as a way of transportation. It allows Goku (or anyone riding it as long as they have a pure heart) the ability to fly at high speeds without using energy. Sadly the speed of the Nimbus is not a match for the flight abilities Goku and the others are able to do later in DBZ. It is also destroyable, as Tambourine displayed.
At times, he carries around Senzu Beans which fully heals anyone if they eat one bean. It can even heal broken bones. Despite that, it is unable to regrow limbs or cure ailments. And we seriously doubt Death Battle will allow the usage of such an item.
Like Goku, Superman usually relies on his own abilities rather than weapons, but he does have access to technology that could aid him in battle. The Phantom Zone Projector is a device that can be used to transport prisoners and objects to and from the Phantom Zone, an interdimensional realm outside the normal space/time continuum which is a barren and insubstantial null area absent of any physical material.
He also (used to) have access to the Kryptonian War Suit, a suit that augmented their users with powerful weaponry and were operated by thought alone as well as allowed its operators to survive in extremely hostile environments such as radioactive wastelands. It was this suit that Superman used to recover faster from the supposed death he had against Doomsday. It was last seen being destroyed by Superman because Luthor was using it.
Skills and Abilities
Goku is a Ki user. Ki Energy is a tangible energy inside every living being, its major focus being in the center of the body. By drawing it out, a person is able to manipulate it and use it for performances outside the body. Ki can be used for many different techniques. Usually, the more concentrated the masses are, the more time the user requires to draw it out. When a fighter gathers ki, he is able to gain enhanced strength, speed, endurance, and can increase the power of their attacks to inflict greater damage to opponents.
Using Ki, Goku is capable of executing many projectile attacks. His signature attack is the Kamehameha Wave, a big beam of energy of various size. While it is more known for being a beam fired from his hands, it has numerous uses. He can bend the direction, fire it from his feet to use as a propulsion, and put in a sphere form that can be launched whenever he wishes. It is the most versatile of his Ki Techniques.
His most powerful move is the Spirit Bomb, a huge sphere of energy from all life willing to support it. If charged enough, it can destroy an entire planet. Sadly, the move requires the user to stand perfectly still while holding his hands above his head for a long period of time. Its success rate is also very low and it can be deflected by a pure heart.
Other Ki attacks Goku has used include regular Ki Blasts, Invisible Eye Blasts, Destructo Disks (Krillin's Technique), and the Solar Flare (Tien's Technique). With the exception of the Ki Blasts, Goku rarely uses these techniques over his own. It’s also worth mentioning he can not control the Destructo Disk like Frieza or Cell can.
Goku's speed is argued to be Faster than Light, but there are no feats that can confirm that to be true or not (only a dubbing mistake mentions speed of light as the updated Kai and the Manga do not mention it). Despite that, he very easily falls into hyper sonic ranges like Vegeta and is capable of using his speed to help him in battle. The After Image Technique is a move that, living up to it's namesake, creates numbers of After Images. This causes the opponent to hit nothing but air leaving an opening for the user. It can be countered with another After Image though.
Goku's fastest technique is Instant Transmission. It allows him to instantly teleport from one place to another as long as he can feel someone's Ki. He can combine this technique with the Kamehameha and the Spirit Bomb to surprise his opponent with an attack suddenly up close. This technique also allows Goku to visit Other Worlds and back in the blink of an eye.
Goku has two ways to power up. The first is Kaio-ken, a technique taught to him by King Kai. It multiplies the user's Ki for a certain amount of time making them able to deliver more damaging attacks to their opponents. He can increase it to a multiple up to x20, but if used too much it could seriously damage the body of the user or worse. Sadly, as soon as Goku discovered the ability to go Super Saiyan, Kaio-ken lost it's use.
Goku has the ability to go Super Saiyan 1-4. Each Super Saiyan form increases Goku's power by a great deal per transformation and can be used alongside Kaio-ken. At Super Saiyan 1, he can sustain it naturally as if he wasn't even trying. But when going to Super Saiyan 3 and 4, the energy needed to maintain it increases. While SS4 uses less energy than SS3, once depleted the user will revert back to normal.
Goku is also an expert in Martial Arts and has hand to hand techniques including the Hasshu-ken (making him seem to have eight arms), Crazy Fist (think Drunken Fist except he acts like a dog or a monkey), the Jan Ken (A Rock, Paper and Scissor style attack), and Akuma's personal favorite fighting technique, the Full Nelson. His Ki energy is capable of destroying a planet’s core, thus blowing up the planet. While at SS4, his physical strength shows him capable of lifting a building.
In case you were wondering...
One of the most hotly debated elements of this fight is whether or not Goku’s Ki attacks qualify as ‘magic’, which Superman has a known vulnerability to. We believe this post on Anime Vice said it best. “Ki is NOT magic at least in the DB Universe. Magic usually draws power from its surrounding or some sort of source/artifact. Ki is 100% inner spirit/energy. Kami & Piccolo use magic to create clothing, ETC. However Kami & Piccolo use Ki to fly and fight. Babadi has powerful magic, however has very weak Ki.”
What evidence do we have that suggests Ki/Chi are different from regular magic in the Dragonball universe? As the quote states, there are an assortment of characters such as Old Kai, Babadi, and Supreme Kai who couldn’t come close to matching a fighter like Goku in strength/Ki energy, yet are capable of other feats Goku has never been shown to be capable of doing. One of these abilities is materializing objects (a block of Katchin and a crystal orb in the two Kai’s case) out of thin air, an act that falls far more closely into the traditional idea of ‘magic’.
We’ll also point out that Dragonball Wikia has a section exclusively dedicated to witches, wizards, and practitioners of magic a section Goku cannot be found in. Because there is a clear difference between what these beings can do and what Goku can do and because it has never been said that Ki attacks have magical properties, it’s very obvious Ki is not magical, leaving Goku with the Power Pole as his only real magic-based attack. Even if Goku’s attacks were magic it wouldn’t guarantee victory, Superman has gone toe to toe against characters like Captain Marvel who rank among some of the mightiest magic users in comic book history.
Using Wikipedia's "Complete list" section of "Powers and abilities of Superman", we have limited Superman’s abilities to *INHALES* Superhuman Strength, Invulnerability, Healing Factor, Flight, Superhuman Speed, X-Ray Vision, Heat Vision, Super-human Breath (Such as the well known Freeze Breath), Superhuman Hearing, Superhuman Vision, Superhuman Olfaction, Eidetic Memory, Intelligence and a Master Combatant. But because multiple authors have written for Superman, there has an been influx in abilities.
The strongest Superman has shown (All Stars) him lifting 200 Quintillion Tons with simply one arm (his left). He has shown to shatter various metals and materials apart with one punch and in a comic moved numerous planets around with ease. Even with Post-Crisis Superman they have shown him capable of lifting a building with the same difficulty Super Saiyan 4 Goku has shown.
His Speed is confirmed to be at light speed. That means he can move from one point to another virtually instantly. And this is a feat in the post Crisis Superman. While others have argued that is only a case of movement speed and not fighting speed, we have deduced this as untrue. There are numerous feats of him reflecting light beams of kryptonite back at his opponent as well as moving his molecules fast enough to be able to have attacks go through him. No smoke screen, no movement speed, just molecule speed. And yes, he can punch fast.
Heat Vision is also impressive. It is solar energy that comes from his eyes. He can make them invisible or make it extremely hot. Thanks to years of practice, he can use it to cut with surgical precision even at the microscopic level (also see Superman Vs the Elite fight). It is also able to be a concussive force instead of heat. At its most powerful, it can cut an entire planet in half and reignite the sun. The sun that has been used to defeat numerous DBZ villains in the movies, though like Dragonball GT a lot of fans don’t consider those canon.
Superman’s most impressive ability is his Invulnerability. The only way around this is to have Kryptonite (his weakness), Magic (his Invulnerability can’t counter this), be exposed to a Red Sun for a long period of time (his powers derive from a Yellow Sun), or being of Krytonian decent. If you are strong enough, you can knock Superman around, but a killing blow needs one of the four requirements above. And even with that, Superman has come back from the dead.
This is thanks to his healing factor, the few instances he is severely hurt he can recover. It took him awhile for him to come back from the dead, but according to Madguitaris, he survived this by taking the solar energy from plants to heal himself after (with kryptonite exposure) a nuclear explosion and several lightning strikes. And these feats are those done post crisis. Imagine what sort of feats Pre-Crisis Superman had. And thanks to metabro, Superman has shown to survive an exploding Star, something that can destroy galaxies.
So if he is so powerful why doesn’t he show it all the time. Two reasons. First, would you be interested in buying a comic where there is literally nothing that can stop the main character? If you said yes, we have a bunch of fan fictions for you Mary Sue lovers. The other reason is best explained in Justice League Unlimited .
Goku makes use of weighted clothes. clothes that are fitted with built-in weights to make them heavier than ordinary clothes. He uses them in Dragonball and early in DBZ to hold him back until he needs to go out fully. But since the introduction of Transformations, they don't really do that job anymore. As the Abridged series has stated, "that concept has lost its meaning".
So essentially, he’s wearing just a regular Turtle School Uniform. Nothing that holds him back or increase his defenses.
According to the Smallville Wiki in the "In the comics" section, Superman’s suit was made out of the blanket he had as a child, and still retained the invulnerability properties Clark has. It was Martha's sewing and Clark's Heat Vision that created the suit. Then again in Lois and Clark: the New Adventures of Superman, the suit was basically a regular costume that was only indestructible when Superman was wearing it.
We think it’s only fair for it to be the L&C version because having an invulnerability outfit with invulnerability is just overkill.
Despite how strong of a Saiyan Goku is, he is still bound by the limits of a normal being to some degree. He still needs to eat, breath, and sleep to keep himself at maximum efficiency. He can still be burnt, become sick, and while like Vegeta he can survive in outer-atmospheres for extended periods of time, it is possible for him to eventually suffocate from a lack of oxygen. Losing too much energy can also tire him out.
Superman has three main weaknesses: being exposed to Kryptonite, being exposed to a red sun, and magic. There is a 4th weakness not known by many. That is being of Kryptonian decent. Kryptonians exposed to the yellow sun gain the same attributes as Superman, meaning they are on equal ground. That means if you were stronger than him on Kryton, you’re stronger than him on Earth. This is how Doomsday was able to kill Superman temporarily.
- Is a better trained fighter than Superman.
- Is a more interesting character.
- Has numerous forms
- Energy can destroy a planet’s core (thus blowing up the planet)
- Instant Transmission can help him keep up
- Some of the higher feats Goku supporters believe he is capable of do not have any visual evidence to back them up.
- Despite being an alien, is still bound by the limitations of a human in certain ways.
- Has no knowledge of and little access to Superman’s weaknesses
- Has to use Dragonball GT.
- Not the planet buster Kid Buu is (who engulf the planet with his power)
- Most victories were due to plot shielding.
- The more powerful attacks require a charge up time.
- Spirit Bomb is useless (Superman is pure hearted, thus able to reflect it. Not to mention the charge time to it is ridiculous.)
- Many of the aforementioned forms Goku can attain require large reserves of energy to be maintained.
- Confirmed Faster than Light feats.
- Invulnerability has proven he can survive DBZ attacks (See Vegeta Vs Shadow)
- Is smarter than Goku
- Depending on which incarnation, is physically as strong or stronger than Goku in Super Saiyan 4.
- Super Breath and Laser vision can match if not surpass Goku’s Ki attacks.
- Does not need to use large reserves of energy to stay powerful
- While being a trained fighter, is not as well trained as Goku.
- Tends to hold back (likely will be removed for the fight)
- Is a boring character in terms of fighting.
...Well...That wraps up this prediction blog now if you’ll excuse us, we’ve got an apocalypse to prepare for. Please keep all comments/arguments respectful.
I recently did more looking into Superman. There really was no way Goku could win. Superman's abilities are already much greater. So he getting closer to the sun multiplies his powers. Although it depends on the distance of where he's at from the sun. Thus Superman's true potential is in fact limitless. A being actually capable of destroying the entire multiverse.
I am aware most people don't think Superman can fight faster than Goku. If you look in the actual episode there's proof. Superman once fought Wonder Woman from Earth to Sun & back. All of this under two minutes which is virtually impossible to do. Last time I checked Goku can fight very fast. He can't match Superman's strength, speed & durability. Not only that Superman does have a lot more experience over him overall. If that's not enough then how about this. Most beings in the Dragon Ball universe can only hold so much energy. A great example of this is Goku. After becoming Super Saiyan 4 in GT. He officially became an solar system buster. Like most beings despite Kaio-ken & super saiyan forms. Goku couldn't push himself further than that. On the other hand Superman is able to get to keep absorbing. In fact there doesn't exist a limit on how much he can take. Superman's intelligence was much greater than his. According to The Flash he's able to think many light speeds beyond humans. So Goku can't never out smart a being this amazing. A lot of Superman's achievements are virtually impossible. It's true Goku does have some but not as impressive. I know a lot of Goku fans are going to hate me. I figured to make this simple enough for you guys. Obviously they went into a more complex direction with that one. Chances are most of you are either kids or teenagers with limited enough of either character.
I still don't have much interest in Superman. I will say that I now have a much better idea of him. Although Goku's calculations are off it really doesn't matter anymore. Why because Superman constantly becomes stronger. All he needs to do is go into the sun for a few minutes. That's it while Goku has a few ways of getting more energy. I would never guessed through his Spirit Bomb technique. He could also get energy from the sun which was pointed out to me. This episode proves Superman is a great fight capable of being impossible to beat. Hell he was able to keep up with one of the fastest manga characters ever. Goku did try his absolute best against such a difficult opponent. In the end I just hope he comes back for one more fight. Also Ben or Chad if you see this please use Super Saiyan God instead. Obviously most of us Dragon Ball fans don't care for GT. I would be happy to see Goku to take on Kenshiro. I been hearing this is a great fight for him. I also hear Kenshiro can match Goku's ki which I really want to see.
Honestly I shouldn't have doubted you about this man. Clearly I don't know enough about Superman. I'm more of a Goku guy but still I don't think the reasons stated are bullshit. I just would've like for them to hold off a little longer. I just don't care much for Super Saiyan 4.
I like superman but he has weakness and so if goku find kyponites and goku will feel dumb and he turn back normal to sayian and he will make superman catch the kypnoite as frog so Superman will be fear. That's will be funny to see Superman's shock and fear reaction. Goku will said Kamehame HA!!!! direct hit to Superman while Superman scream " NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" Superman will be burning into ashes like burning blood. hahaha (LOL) and if Goku didnt find kyponite so he have to build power to super 3 to overcome Superman cuz Superman is like little stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Superman his power and Strength as Silver hair final Superman stage. At the point his strength come from his father who was killed in kyponite while it's explode. Remember...so Good luck to that battle if Superman said, " Hey Goku, I surrender . You win and yes I know are strongest in the world. Superman need to confress to Goku before the death is near. Superman need to tell Goku Superman is not killer and is good guy act as Justice. Goku will understand Superman is no killer and is good guy so goku will be friend with Superman and maybe Goku will train Superman to be stronger. Oh well. what do you think to my final comment?
The thing that they forgot to put for Superman's weaknesses is this: Superman also has no access to Goku's attacks, so he cannot know about Goku's ki either. Also, Goku has instant transmission, so he can easily be able to teleport out of the way of Superman's attacks. Goku can also detect power levels and be able to sense Superman coming. Since Superman does not have the ability to detect power levels, there is no way that he will be able to sense Goku coming.
Watch "Superman vs The Elite" or read "What so Funny about Truth Justice and The American Way" it should answer most of your questions you just asked about Superman.
And to be honest, I can't think of any DBZ plot that lead to many major revelations or character changes. In fact, they all seem very 2 dimensional. Not to say that the show isn't entertaining, but when you have a bunch of characters that only live to fight, it's hard to grow attached to them.
You're just kind of...rambling.
Toriyama was not really that great of a writer, but he delivered something amazing that we all loved as kids. Exciting fights and huge stakes, things that appealed to people and are still worth rewatching. That doesn't mean it's well written, infact it's far from it.
Toriyama makes a lot of stuff up as he goes along, he never rally planned his stories or plots ahead. That's why we have awkward things like Planet Namek taking twenty episodes to explode or how he completely abandoned any story related to Raditz after his death (and, infact, it seems like the whole cast forgets he existed after the fight). Problems like how we have establishing plotpoints (like the limited revives, meant to convince the readers that there were real stakes) that Toriyama later throws out the window because he wants a character back he killed off.
Problems like how he abandons characters he no longer cares about on the drop of a hat; putting them in the background hiding behind rocks and never doing anything significant. Problems like weird plot directions such as implying the Gohan would be the new lead character after Cell, and then ditching that as soon as he finds an excuse to bring Goku back. Or on the same topic, making Gohan the most powerful non fused character after his potential was unlocked, and then doing nothing with that. Leaving an awkwardly opened plotpoint that goes nowhere.
The whole fusion/buu saga was a mess, there's a good reason why it's probably the most argued about saga in terms of lore and story.
The 'story' in DBZ is not meant to have any depth or breadth, it isn't meant to be taken seriously at all. It serves as a train to get us, the audience, from one fight to the next logically. Alternatively, in most other well written stories it is the other way around; the fights are an exciting interlude that are meant to entertain, yes, but also to progress the story.
I have actually, i've watched a lot of DBZ. All of it actually, because like most people in my generation DBZ was a huge part of my childhood. It does what it sets out to do well, it's a fun turn your brain off afternoon action show.
The characterization in DBZ suffers immensely from Toriyama's writing style and the plot is just a train in order to get to the fights, which was the real highlight of the show. Toriyama wrote it to be 'cool', not to have a deep or enthralling plot.
Superman actually very often does his best to move fight's out of populated areas. Unlike Goku however, villains very rarely respond to requests and he has to force them. The major reason he restrains himself so much, infact, is to avoid causing collateral damage.
Superman lectures people to try to teach them, and get them to understand. My favorite speech/lecture of his being in regards to why he never kills unless he has to. "I am nobody's judge or jury, and especially not their executioner"
Why are you telling me this? Dbz has a garbage plot either way.
Okay fine he's a ripoff of superman.
That isn't how that ability works he has to be beaten to near death and fully heal if superman beats him down in this death battle he's not getting up well unless he has a senzu bean
It was very well written and very clever from bulma which means bloomers.And tell me what about it is so bad in the plot because I think that I could counter that.Did u even watch Dragon Ball?
I beg to differ.Folowing from the Dragon Bal manga Goku has a child named after his Grandfather.Piccolo then encounters an alien from a capsule.the alien is looking for a person named kaka rot.Goku then finds out that he is this carot cake.That alien is named Raditz.He tells Goku that he is part of an alien race that was supposed to destroy every being in Earth.Goku didn't because he hit his head and became a light hearted and innocent character.And that Goku was the giant ape that killed his grandfather.Then goku asks piccolo who was the evil villain in dragon ball.Because the alien was so powerful,they had to team up against this raditz.When they fought against him,they failed to even hurt raditz.Raditz easily destroyed piccolo's arm and piccolo suggested using the special beam cannon.Goku held him down but died doing that because piccolo used his special beam cannon to kill Radish
Really I know the voice actor was but not the scene oh wait the first part yeah I know that's what he said to frieza I just thought it was funny
That's from Dragon Ball Abridged
Is Goku a ripoff or not? If you say kind of it means that he's not.so wats your answer is goku a ripoff or not?
I don't think you've watched DBZ if u say they dO something with the story because they do.In my opinion,I don't think you know much about Dragon Ball and shouldn't anything about their characters unless you analyzed Dragon Ball as much as you do Superman.If superman cares about everyone so much,why does he choose to fight in the city,instead of somewhere where nobody gets hurt.Why do superman lectures people.
When your immortal,you can't die.Goku had eternal life.There is an ability he has where if u get beaten up real bad,when u get back up from that you get stronger.So, Goku's power is limitless cause when superman beats goku to a pulp,if goku gets back up he would become stronger than supes
I know it was not well written and repetetive, fans like watching the same formula repeated. dbz has no good plot.
Of course. We all know that. We also know that, like Yamcha, she had the potential to be a character with real depth and interest but was practically abandoned as a character because Toriyama only really wanted to write for a handful of them. Lets not forget characters that he actually did abandon so hard they stopped existing, like Launch.
I loved DBZ as a kid, but I think nostalgia keeps a lot of us from admitting that it wasn't very well written.