Death Battle: Superman Vs Goku Analysis
Originally, I wanted to do Analysis and Prediction on Zelda Vs Peach. It was almost done and was prepared to be released today. But then they put up the match making that pointless. Needless to say, I was correct and a lot of the stuff I found they used. There was some things I got that they missed, and there was things they got that I missed.
So I figured instead of falling back and doing another list, I take a look at a certain match…
Death Battle, for the few who do not know, is a series that pit two characters against each other to the death. Like Deadliest Warrior, but more interesting. And the most requested match that hasn't happened yet pits two aliens against each other. That match is Goku from the Dragonball Series and Superman from DC Comics.
On paper, this is a good idea. Two aliens who are the sole survivor of their dead world. They were sent to earth and raised to be the nicest people you would ever meet. Over time, they will become the most powerful person on their planet and the first line of defense against world threats, including other survivors of their doomed planet.
But when you do the research, this is a doomed match. The scale is too one sided to have any surprise and once all the information is revealed, the winner will be obvious. Unless they use a specific version (which highly would not happen because there was only one case), it would be a waste of an episode.
So to save them trouble and open the door for better opponents for Superman and Goku, I figured I should show my work and show my results. If you disagree with what I have, feel free to post your defense in the comments below.
Son Goku was born Kakarot (Kakarotto in Japan) on the planet Vegeta. Like all Saiyan babies, he was sent to a planet to kill everyone there and have it ready for it to be sold. On Earth, he was found by Gohan (his Adopted Grandfather) and was raised by him. Goku was violent until he bumped his head. After that, he became a nice kid (Proving concussions can straighten a troubled kid).
Goku soon begun training and after Gohan's death, lived alone for a while until Bulma found him. That soon begins a long story where he learns about fighting under Master Roshi and King Kai, learn that he is an alien from a destroyed world, and discover the legendary Super Saiyan Forms 1-4. He also died a couple of times but that really isn't important.
While Goku prefers to use his hands, he does have access to two helpful tools. The Power Pole is a magical length changing staff that originally belonged to Korin, the proprietor of Korin Tower. It can extend to extreme lengths, capable of reaching the moon from Earth. It is very durable and unable to break, even against swords.
The Flying Nimbus is a magical, yellow cloud that serves as a way of transportation. It allows Goku (or anyone riding it as long as they have a pure heart) the ability to fly at high speeds without using energy. Sadly the speed of the Nimbus is not a match for the flight abilities Goku and the others are able to do later in DBZ. It is also destroyable, as Tambourine displayed.
At times, he carries around Senzu Beans which fully heals anyone if they eat one bean. It can even heal broken bones. Despite that, it is unable to regrow limbs or cure ailments.
Goku has numerous techniques he has used throughout the series. His favorite is the Kamehameha, an explosive beam of ki energy. While it is more known for being a beam fired from his hands, it has numerous usages. He can bend the direction, fire it from his feet to use as a propulsion, and put in a sphere form that can be launched whenever he wishes.
His most powerful is the Spirit Bomb, a huge sphere of energy from all life willing to support it. If charged enough, it can destroy an entire planet. Sadly, the move requires the user to stand perfectly still while holding his hands above his head for a long period of time. Though it's success rate is very low and it can be deflected by a pure heart.
Other Ki attacks Goku has used include regular Ki Blasts, Invisible Eye Blasts, Destructo Disk (Krillin's Technique), and the Solar Flare (Tien's Technique). With the exception of the Ki Blasts, Goku rarely uses these techniques over his own. Also to note he can not control the Destructo Disk like Frieza or Cell can.
Goku is also an expert in Martial Arts and has hand to hand techniques including the Hasshu-ken (making him seem to have eight arms), Crazy Fist (think Drunken Fist except he acts like a dog or a monkey), the Jan Ken (A Rock, Paper and Scissor style attack), and my personal favorite, the Full Nelson.
Goku's speed is argued to be Faster than Light, but there are no feats that can confirm that to be true or not (only a dubbing mistake mentions speed of light as the updated Kai and the Manga do not mention it). Despite that, he is capable of using his speed to help him in battle. The After Image Technique is a move that, living up to it's namesake, creates numbers of After Images. This causes the opponent to hit nothing but air leaving an opening for the user. It can be countered with another After Image though.
Goku's fastest technique is Instant Transmission. It allows him to instantly teleport from one place to another as long as he can feel someone's Ki. He can combine this technique with the Kamehameha and the Spirit Bomb to surprise his opponent with an attack suddenly up close. This technique also allows Goku to travel across dimensions, to visit Other World and back.
Goku has two ways to power up. The first is Kaio-ken, a technique taught to him by King Kai. It multiplies the user's Ki for a certain amount of time making them able to deliver more damaging attacks to their opponents. He can also increase it to a multiple up to x20. However, if used too much it could seriously damage the body of the user, or worse. Sadly, as soon as Goku discovered the ability to go Super Saiyan, Kaio-ken lost it's use.
Goku has the ability to go Super Saiyan 1-4. Each Super Saiyan form increases Goku's power by a great deal per transformation and can be used alongside Kaio-ken. At Super Saiyan 1, he can sustain it naturally as if he wasn't even trying. But when going to Super Saiyan 3 and 4, the energy needed to maintain it increases. While SS4 uses less energy than SS3, once depleted the user will revert back to normal.
While Goku is an expert fighter, he is still naïve. He has been easily tricked into compromising positions even as an adult. But that only works once as he will not fall for someone's trick again. Not only that, but every near death he experiences increases his strength when he is fully healed.
Superman was born Kal-El on the alien planet Krypton. His parents became aware of Krypton's impending destruction and sent their son to Earth to escape their planet's doom. The spacecraft carrying young Kal-El lands on Earth where it was discovered by John and Martha Kent. They raised the baby as their own and called him Clark Kent.
After discovering his powers, thanks to his upbringing, he uses them to help people in trouble and capture criminals. He soon moved to Metropolis to continue his heroing ways while using the Clark Kent disguise to work as a reporter at the Daily Planet. And thus begins the adventures of Superman.
Thanks to the power of the Yellow Sun, Superman gains numerous powers no normal human is capable of. This includes numerous visions ranging from X-Ray Vision to Telescopic Vision. He is capable of seeing anyone and anything as long as there is no lead in the way. He also has the ability to perceive the entire electromagnetic spectrum and various other forms of energy.
For offensive abilities, he has Heat Vision. It is solar energy that comes from his eyes. He can make them invisible or make it extremely hot. Thanks to years of practice, he can use it to cut with surgical precision even at the microscopic level. It is also able to be a concussive force instead of heat. The Heat Vision is unable to be measured by standard scientific measures. The same scientific measurement can tell us how hot is the Sun.
Superman has Superhuman Strength that has a lot of feats behind it. He has shown able to bend and break various metals, lifted mountains, and even moved entire planets. His strength was even tested in All-Star Superman, exceeding the force of 200 quintillion tons. That's 2*10^20 for you math buffs out there.
Unlike Goku, Superman is confirmed to be faster than the speed of light. With this speed, he can reverse time by reversing the rotation the planet. He has also been shown to escape a black hole and even go back through time on his own. He can also move his molecules fast enough to be untouchable even while standing still.
Superman is also invulnerable to most attacks. With this power, he has a high resistant to physical damage or injury. While strong forces can knock him around, extreme physical force can give him temporary injury. If damaged too much, he would not be able to be healed from the sun unless put in a Yellow Sun Amplifier.
Superman's Super Breath can let him inhale and exhale huge volumes of air with great force. With this technique, he can stay in space without the need of a space suit. With his Freeze Breath, he is able to cool objects to sub-zero temperatures and freeze air moisture solid. He also has Eidetic Memory. With this, he can flawlessly recall anything he has seen, heard or read.
Superman is capable of flight without the use of energy. This flight is capable of achieving the speed feats above. It is very rate for Superman to fall to fatigue as he has unlimited stamina and endurance except against extremely powerful opponents. He is also an intellectual genius.
Superman has three distinctive weaknesses. The most knowledgeable is kryptonite, a green rock that came from his planet. When exposed to it, Superman becomes weak and in great pain. Despite the supposed rarity of it, it is used a lot against him. Another weakness is Red Sun Radiation, which renders him as powerless as a normal human. His third weakness is Magic, which is capable of passing his invulnerability.
Superman usually holds back because he is afraid to break something (or someone) when he is trying to save the day. But if he has no other choice, he will fight with full force. He is not a fan of killing but, in an alternate universe, able to lobotomize an opponent with Heat Vision. He is also able to combine everything to a winning combo.
In the beginning, Goku will initiate the fight (being a Saiyan, he is more incline to fight). Thanks to his Power Pole, he would do noticeable damage since the weapon is magical. Superman, seeing how serious this becomes, will counter attack. That counter will take away the Power Pole and make Goku stick with punches and kicks.
This, in turn, will make Goku go to Super Saiyan 2 since he can sustain that form without worry. They'll exchange blows for a while until Superman realizes he can not hold back for Goku. Seeing how strong Superman has become, Goku will try to go Super Saiyan 3 and 4 against the Kryptonian.
Despite those increases, Superman (being a confirmed Light Speeder and ranging in the Quintillion) still shows superiority over Goku. This, in turn, will lead Goku to use the Kaio-ken while in SS4. That will give him enough boost to surprise Superman and send him flying, opening him for a Kamehameha.
Goku unleashes the wave, seemingly destroying Superman. The combination of the SS4 with Kaio-ken completely drains Goku back to his base form. Before going for a Senzu Bean, Superman appears before him (using his superior speed to create an after image). He then smacks the beans away and wins by killing him (since Death Battle removes the notion to not kill as seen with the Turtles).
Most of Superman's speed and strength are confirmed in comic, which means he has a lot of feats that Goku does not. So when fully out, his strength and speed are beyond Goku's known feats.
The Spirit Bomb is useless in this fight because of it's long load time. Too boot, since Superman is an American Goku, he is capable of deflecting it as well being pure hearted.
Goku's higher form and Kaio-ken drain his energy. Superman has none of these weaknesses.
Superman Kryptonite weakness wouldn't be used by Goku even if he had access to. Goku does not fight unfairly.
Superman has a wider use of powers that would counter the techniques Goku can use.
The body would have to be recreated or still together for Goku to return from the dead via instant transmission. And even if it was in one piece, he would still be dead.
Goku can not destroy the sun. The force to do so is greater than destroying the planet. Even if it was possible, Superman does not instantly depower as there are places with no Yellow Sun that he still uses his powers (the Black Hole for example). A Red Sun is what would depower him.
Superman wasn't made for fighting fair fights. He was made to be a hero; for someone to look up to. For him to be in fights require his opponent to be his level or even considered a deity. He gains and loses abilities among the writers and adding them all together creates an unstoppable force.
Goku was made to create a story that is focused on fighting. To make an interesting fight, you would have to wonder if the hero is capable of defeating his opponent or else have everything he cares about doomed. And Goku has been defeated before from the original Dragonball all the way to GT.
Superman would have to fight someone who is just as broken as he is and only a few comic heroes are in that category. Goku would need to fight someone more in his power level, which luckily has a lot more options than Superman.
And before someone brings up the fact Wizard Magazine made a similar story where Goku won, there was a lot of inaccuracies in that story. Not to mention another magazine on the same level as Wizard said Yami Yugi could beat Goku.
There are a lot of options for Death Battle; a good number of them for Superman and Goku. Let this match be the Pirate Vs Ninja of Death Battle.
I'm late but this fight was definitely inaccurate in my opinion. What they said made sense because Goku doesn't have many feats and everything they based Goku's power off of came from the Saiyan Saga which makes sense because that's where they actually showed feats. The problem is the current Goku would destroy the incarnation they used. As far as Kryptonite goes I believe Goku would definitely use it if his life were on the line. He used Raditzs' tail as a weakness and if he sees an opening he would definitely exploit it. The last problem I had is the fact that Superman sun dipped. First off I don't think Goku would intentionally blow Superman into the sun. I'm not saying he would know it would power him up but it's not like he would use the sun that way. Their explanation was that's how Goku finished off some of his opponents like Broly but I don't think it was really Goku's intention to win those fights like that it just so happened that instead of those blasts killing his opponent it blasted them into space towards the sun. Then they said Goku could't use IT to transport Superman somewhere elese because he runs the risk of transporting him to a blue son which powers him up which I think is incorrect because it would make more sense for him to transport him back towards the Earth. Regardless I think it was a good idea for a fight but I think it was bias.
Well this is just about the saddest thing I ever seen. As a DBZ fanboy (and proud) I have to say that I thing this is just crap the way I'm being represented on this forum. I am pissed that Goku lost but I agree with the reasoning behind what was said on Death Battle and on this article. Superman is too powerful to be beaten by many people and that's the only reason that I didn't like the Death Battle. Superman has too many super powers and abilities that Goku simply can't match up to. Goku does have his own weaknesses which is one of the reasons I find him more awesome than superpants could ever be. No the Death Battle was fair for how unfair the matchup was.
It's one of the reasons I didn't want to watch the Wonder (Stripper) Woman one either, because she is considered strong with few weaknesses but Rouge was able to beat her which surprised and amazed me.
This is pure bullshit, ok bro first off superman should have lost...why? 1. SSJ4 Gogeta! , he would have raped superman but since this was a battle with goku he doesnt even need to be brought up My whole point is SSJ4 alone should have killed superman. How? Because clearly in the GT saga towards the end with omega shenron goku swallowed a dragon ball...dragon balls are magic correct? Superman was getting his ass SMACKED by black atom and black atom isnt shit compared to a SSJ4 Goku empowered with magic from the dragonballs. Come on now...Superman beating goku? what a joke...
well keep in mind that its just teleportation and not movement speed, and he was only able to catch cell of guard with it once. and the reason doomsday put superman in a coma-like state was that he was of kryptonian descent. and your right, without one of his weaknesses its technically not possible to kill superman.
I never said that Goku's movement was faster than light speed. I've been saying all this time that IT is faster than light. Mind you Janemba and Hirudegarn also seemed to have they're own style of teleportation, perhaps that is why they also outmatched Goku for speed. The point I'm making is that if Goku uses IT, then it will allow him to outpace superman, whether that be evading an attack or using a sneak attack. I'll admit I don't know as much about superman's abilities, but if they're not using kryptonite in this battle then he will probably win, as I'm not sure if it's possible to actually kill superman without kryptonite. I know when he fought doomsday he got 'killed', only for people to discover later that he was actually just in some kind of hibernation. Goku could probably put him in that state, but I don't know how he would kill him without kryptonite.
well if you want to disagree with the DB writers than go ahead. if your right, then why is goku at times outmatched in speed? hirudegarn and janemaba were both faster than him at times. whether IT is FTL or not is irrelevant, becuz like all his other techniques it requires energy and focus so he cannot use it endlessly. gokus actual movement speed, not IT teleportation, is not FTL, period.
I don't care what they said, it's simple physics. Like I said, if you travel a distance of light years in a couple of seconds, then you've travelled faster than the speed of light. Perhaps that concept is too difficult for you and the DB writers to understand, but it is what it is. The mode of transport is irrelevant, it's the speed at which the distance is traversed.
if you want to disagree with them then go ahead. dude, when they did their research they actually talked to some of the creators and writers from both sides. that basically means that the writers of DB told them that IT is not FTL. second, your forgetting a significant difference between this fight and the ones with hirudegarn...they were threatening to destroy the world. goku is a saiyan, he lives for a good fight. superman is a good guy, not evil, so goku will not do that. i like how your also assuming that goku somehow knows what his weakness is AND knows where to find it. and yes, its obvious that death battle wanted a good fight that isnt one-sided, why do you think they decided not to use pre-crisis superman? you should jut be glad they are letting him use the power pole, which is completely illogical since he hasnt used that thing since DB.
Don't be stupid. If Goku can teleport between two points that are light years away in a couple of seconds, then clearly he has moved faster than the speed of light. It seems more than just teleportation anyway... if you watch the dbz movie 'return of cooler', you'll see what I mean. As for not using kryptonite, Death Battle is just plain ignoring the fact that Goku looks for an enemy's weakness in order t defeat them. That's how he defeated Hirudegarn, Yakon,etc. not by trying to overpower them but by identifying and exploiting a weakness. If Goku had to choose between using kryptonite and Superman killing him, I'm pretty sure he'd choose the Kryptonite. Death Battle are just making excuses as they know Kryptonite is a glaring weakness for Superman, and the fight would be very one-sided if Kryptonite were used.
um no its not. the death battle creators did their research and confirmed that IT is not FTL, its just teleportation. and goku wants to beat superman at his best, so even if he finds the green stuff somehow he wont use it. did you watch the preview on youtube yet?
you forgot about Goku's instant transmission ability, which makes him greatly faster than the speed of light. Goku could easily just transport superman to a red sun system, Goku wins. Also your comment about Goku not using kryptonite is bullcrap. Death Battle removes the notion to kill, so it makes sense that if Goku learns that kryptonite can kill superman he would use it. Really, at the end of the day the fight could go either way, and there would be enough evidence to back up either claim
I honestly do think this is how it will play out. Except with more...Animation.
To make it fair also, bringing up the non-canoness of pre-crisis superman, and im a dbz fanboy but still, goku ss4 is non-canon too. akira toriyama didn't make gt, but merely allowed dbz to ride into it. there is no manga continuation for gt so no ss4
I agree with Superman not being made for fair fights. Lobotomy his victims and keep it moving. Hope to god they use pre crisis Superman! The real deal, with feat's of steel!
About TIME DC wins a Death Battle!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fhIJGIfic&list=FLH7NDs5fey2Ake9muWC1zsQ... I think this was interesting
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(DC_One_Million) #1 reason why superman wins
Your wrong about the multipliers. Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier in PL, like how Kaio Ken was 20X at max i believe, Super Saiyan was more then double that. SSJ2 is 100X multiplier from the base form, and and SSJ3 is 200X multiplier from the base form. Also on terms of speed, Master Roshi was able to catch hundreds of bullets, easy. and Roshi is super weak. Also, Goku can use destructo disc, which can cut through anything (manga). also if by miracle Goku lost and he felt like being a dick, he can just instant transmission from the afterlife...
this is the official power level readings. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels . 1 thing you should all look at is "The Plan To Eradicate The Saiyans" this is set between Ep 195-196. meaning all if not most of the saiyans had power levels of 1 billion. another thing to point out is Vegeta got up 450x gravity before he went SSJ. and its quoted that Frieza can move faster than light if you look down at one of my other posts