Debunking Goku's feats and misconceptions
UltimateSaiyan's Blog about Debunking Superman's feats and misconceptions was a success. It pointed out all the feats Superman supporters use but isn't considered canon to the Post-Crisis Superman. But there are a few problems with his blog. First is that it is pretty much pointless if composites are used. The second is this line of his: There is only one version of Goku.
Like Superman, Goku suffers from multiple writers syndrome. While the Manga was written by one man and that man oversaw the animated series, multiple writers has had their takes on Goku. And when asked if he was going to do this same thing with Goku, he said it was not needed. So let's make this blog in the same concept as his.
Before we begin, let us talk about the different versions of Goku there is. What certain Goku fans would want you to believe is that they are one and the same. But that is not truly the case.

Prime Goku: This Goku is just from the Manga that inspired the Animes Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT. In the Manga, there are no filler arcs, no movies, and no sequels. He exists in 26 Volumes and 519 Chapters. The kicker is that there is a Pre/Post Goku as well when it comes to him.
Dragonball (Chapter 1 - 194) is the part of the Manga focusing on Goku's Adventures to become the man he was in DBZ. While they did have fight scenes and stories around a tournament, the story was more about Goku's Travels than action. This lead to things being more silly compared to later in the chapters as well as the introduction to moves and abilities that would dominate almost anything in Post-Z (Monster Carrot's touch or Devilmite Beam could easily stop Frieza or Cell regardless of power level). It gets more serious during the King Piccolo saga and soon evolves into DBZ we know now.
Dragonball (Chapter 195 - 519) is the part of the Manga focusing on Gohan's rise to power. The story focuses more around training and fighting to achieve their goals than the previous chapters. Goku is pretty much reduced to a Deus Ex Machina device for Gohan and others to survive an encounter they couldn't survive. This eventually lead to Gohan surpassing his father and defeating the big bad at the time: Perfect Cell. The series would have ended there, but Akira Toriyama was convinced to continue it after which lead to the Buu Saga. The Buu Saga was less about Gohan becoming stronger and more about setting up Goku's permanent return for the ending.

Anime Goku: Anime Goku is almost the same as Manga Goku, but it is here that most of the feats associated with Goku and others derive from. The problem is that the Anime was being worked on at the same time as the Manga, so scenes had to be extended and more stuff have to be added. And many of those extended stuff is not even mentioned at all during the Manga. If Goku supporters want to separate Post-Crisis Superman from everyone else, then the same should be said of Manga Goku to everything else.
Before anyone goes "Of course there isn't feats of Goku blowing up a planet, he's not a bad guy", I would like to say why people think of this. It is because Goku has defeated opponents who had done this by being stronger then they are. So in order to prove this, I would have to prove the others he has defeated can not blow up a planet. Hard? On contraire, it is quite easy.
==MOON!!!==
Both Master Roshi and Piccolo have blew up the moon.


People think that "if they can do it that weak, then stronger power levels could blow up a planet". But keep in mind the Moon and the Earth are two different things. 30 trillion megatons of explosives is needed to destroy the moon. A rough estimation to destroy the planet Earth is one hundred million billion megatons. To make it easier (on me), it takes 12 zeroes at the end of 30 to destroy the moon. It takes 17 zeroes at the end of 100 to destroy the Earth (Feel free to correct me on the specific numbers in the comments below).
The Moon is 1/80 the size of the Earth. It would take a lot of force to make that same feat happen to the Earth. But then people bring up power levels that they have the power to do so. The problem is, much like the argument of super strength doesn't mean punching strength, high power levels doesn't mean high power output. And below are examples of such.
==Vegeta==
Vegeta in the Anime Filler blew up the planet Arlia. This stemmed from the scene in the Manga where he threatened to blow up the planet.
To counter this, Goku goes Kaio-ken Times Four to stop Vegeta from doing so.

But not only does Vegeta survive said attack, he is still able to continue fighting (thus why I believe they were even in power level in the Saiyan Saga).


Unlike the Anime, the Manga wants us to assume he can because he said he can.
This is why those against Goku say that there is no feats to back up this claim. Vegeta said he can blow up a planet, but he never did. They said Frieza destroyed the planet Vegeta, but they didn't show how.


The closest we get is a flashback of what Frieza did to Bardock (who was so awesome Toriyama wrote him into the Manga).


The one time Frieza tried to prove he can blow up a planet, he failed as the following scenes show (with page missing to pretty much speed up the point).
(If Slideshow isn't working: Pages 1 - 2 - 3 - 4)
What a Goku supporter wanted me to believe by showing me only the last few pages that Frieza tried to trick Goku into leaving. But reading the entire story, we see Frieza, who is more powerful than the form he destroyed Planet Vegeta, fail to blow up a planet that is either the same or bigger than the Earth (and for you Goku supporters, you want the planet to be the same as Earth). The line in the end was made simply because he wanted to ensure that Goku knows the planet will blow up.
Now if Namek is the same size as Earth and Frieza was a lot more powerful then that Vegeta, how would Vegeta have been able to do so back then? If Namek was bigger than Earth, that would mean the Density of the planet would be much smaller than Earth for Bulma to walk around with no problem. That would mean that specific planet destroying attack was weaker. (Source)
==Kid Buu==
Skipping Cell because Goku didn't defeat him. Which leads to Buu who, unlike anyone else above, has shown being able to blow up a planet.


Well, since Goku beaten Buu, that means Goku is stronger right? Wrong. Because you have to look at the entire picture when you see this fight. For starters, when Goku did fight Buu, he eventually tired out and reverted back to base.



This led to Vegeta's plan to use the Namekian Dragonballs to bring back the Earth for a Spirit Bomb.


While Good Buu was fighting to delay time (I'm not showing here), Goku only gathered enough from his friends. This contradicts someone's argument of him being able to take someone's energy.

And while Vegeta was fighting to delay time, Mr. Hercule Satan got the people behind it and made it full power.

But despite all this, Buu was still strong enough to push it back against Goku. That is until he received full health from the final wish.



In short, Buu's defeat was a team effort of Goku, Vegeta, Hercule, Majin Buu, and two planets to defeat Kid Buu. In short, since we can only confirm a Core Destroyed, Goku does not have the planet destroying ability Kid Buu has.
Goku defenders like to use the Instant Transmission as a counter to Superman's speed, Light or otherwise. The problem is that Instant Transmission is not a speed feat, but a technique.
Taken from the Dragonball Wiki: Instant Transmission is a technique for traveling long distances instantly. This action is usually accompanied by the user placing his index and middle fingers on his forehead to help him concentrate, though if extra time is taken the technique can be performed without this aid.
I am not going to argue that Goku can't do it without the forehead. Anyone who have seen the full run of anything DBZ knows about him doing such against Cell. What I will argue is the idea that he can do it with absolutely no problem. While he doesn't need the fingers, he still needs to know where he has to go.
He achieves this by finding the power levels of other beings. If he finds a power level, he found a safe place to go to. But as we seen in the following pages below, he can not instantly find a location.


He requires concentration, fingers or not, to find a location. And in a battle with no breaks, he is not going to get the time to do so.
Part of applying Filler to Official, people associate Goku being able to breath in Space because Vegeta seemed to do so in the Anime. But the threat of Frieza blowing up the planet contradicts this as Frieza big threat wasn't to blow him up with the planet, but for him to not have air in space.
But people bring up Dragonball where he sent Monster Rabbit to the moon. He can breath there, right? But keep this in mind: so can two humans.

Not only is Monster Rabbit and the two humans (with a bunch of rabbits) up on the moon with no problem, they're also making Rice Cake. Which means they have to grow the materials needed to make said things. And unless I'm mistaken, they need to bake it, thus fire. And Fire needs oxygen to burn.
In short, Dragonball's moon is not like our Moon. It may not even be the same size or density as our moon, making the Moon Blowing achievement even weaker in comparison.
As said, those going for Goku like to use the Anime to show Goku's more impressive feats. But since these are not canon, they can not be used. They're essentially the Elsewhere worlds of the Manga, telling stories of how something might have gone. Essentially, it's like using All-Star Superman for Post Crisis Superman.

But he is still Cooler than Frieza.
Virtually everyone agrees that Dragonball GT sucks horribly. It is up to the point that even Mad, the cartoon series from Cartoon Network, made fun of it. But the supporters of Goku still wish to use it as it increases his power levels to even higher numbers. While people debate it is canon, there is one definitive proof that it isn't canon to this discussion. It is not part of the official Dragonball Manga.

The Manga ends like the anime, with Goku training Uub. So in short, Dragonball GT and the events are not part of the official canon. And if you want to read a better sequel to Dragonball Z, I recommend Dragonball Multiverse. Not only does it combine the Anime and Movies together, they also throw in their own twists. Like Kakarot being entirely different from Goku.
This article isn't about showing why Superman would beat Goku. This is pretty much showing that you must have a specific canon to truly have a debate. Since Death Battle did not specify, you pretty much have to guess. And if you're going to only use one canon for someone's proof, be sure to treat the person you're supporting the same.
And if you can't wait for the match, here are some recommendations to pass the time: Dragonball Multiverse (mentioned above). Goku Vs Everyone Part 2 (which includes a funny take on Superman/Goku that shouldn't be treated seriously). Naruto Ball Z (An AMV pitting Naruto characters against DBZ characters). DBON (a fan comic that crosses over Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and Dragonball Z).
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g1 DISCUSSIONS
Zongetsu
Your ignorance has far surpassed the line for stupidity.
I Am The Strongest
Oh yeah, If you guys said Goku can't blow up planets. I should slap you guys for that. HELLO!! Does "Spirit Bomb" ring a bell. Or as they like to call it in Japanese, "Genki Dama"
I Am The Strongest
I like this. Goku's universe is not like ours. You got like flying cars and talking animals. I'm a Goku fan too but I still say Superman beats Goku. Goku's fights are mostly done in teams. But each time I watch that fight. I can't stop myself from laughing. That's is a funny ass fight. I was a little disappointed Goku lost but just like everyone else. The stats were off because Super Saiyan 4 was put into the fight meaning they had taken info from the anime. I don't know what level of power Goku's Spirit Bomb was but if it was the End of GT Spirit Bomb. No it couldn't been the Universal Ganki Dama. Goku needed to ask King Kai for help. Also Goku should have known Superman's weakness, he was on TV. There was a of mistakes that I saw. Goku can't breath in space. He should not be able to float in space like that. Goku should not have the ability to levitate a senzu and eat it. Goku does not take cheap shots. Yes, I saw Goku use a cheap shot. I was like, "What the hell. That's not Goku. Goku don't cheap shots." At that moment, I knew who was going to win the fight. I didn't need to watch the fight anymore and fast forward to the end and I was right, Superman wins. Goku was made to look like a bad guy and bad guys never wins. I'll understand if it was Vegeta but it was Goku. If they left Goku the way he is and then make him lose. I would have been happy with it but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they had to twist him up and then make him lose. That brings tears to my eyes. That's not Goku anymore. He looks like Goku but he's not. Don't try to make him stronger or weaker or whatever. Just leave him the way he should be. Goku will be happy that he tried his best and lost. So just leave him the way he really is. Goku knows Superman isn't really evil so doesn't have to come back. If he wasn't to fight Superman again, he can wait in the after life and train until Superman's time is up for another try. So yeah, I'm not mad that Goku lost. I do believe that Superman is stronger but I'm mad that they twist him up into a not Goku anymore. I wanted to see the real Goku, not some cheap shot taking, Goku.
Bobdolemite
Just a note on IT.
Goku and Metal Cooler did it several times mid fight and pissed Vegeta off since he could not keep up.
So yeah, Goku says he needed an energy signature and concentration the first time, but after he nolonger needs it as clearly demonstrated.
Ryumancer
Another downside to skipping Cell was when Goku used the Warp Kamehameha on Cell. Goku flew up high to escape one Cell's attacks and was gathering energy for a Kamehameha. Krillin, Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan and even Cell HIMSELF said that if he fired from that angle he would have destroyed the Earth. You know the rest of this scene, Goku teleported and fired at a different angle, standing right in front of Cell. Cell tried something similar on Gohan which resulted in it being sent right back at him. Goku IS a planet buster. You're naive to think otherwise.
Super Sayian 101
LOL, screw attack isn't going to take tips from a moron like you, all these are completely invalid and wrong. so glad "ultimate saiyan" put you in your place
GettahBEEM
-No offense, First of all, skipping the Cell Saga was a huge mistake, a lot of the PLANET BUSTING feats happened then.- No offense too but when the a lot of the planet busting feats happened then? IIRC the only planet that got destroyed in that saga is King Kai little planet.
All i can see in cell saga is that Super Perfect Cell claims that he would blow the entire Solar System but it didnt happen so its a hyperbole or would you want to tell me that it didnt happen because he got defeated by Gohan then its more a hyperbole. If that kamehameha have the DC to solar bust why he got defeated by seriously injured Gohan "PIS ON"?
The difference of "He can do it" and "he actually did this." If a scan says "He actually did it" then it's believable, but if all they say is "he could do this." then the statement is unbelievable because we base characters off of what they did, not what they are said to have the ability to do.
As one of the most used quote "To see it to believe" so in this state is more believable the thing that "He actually did it" than "He can do it". Its like that you're believing to a ghost or an alien that it is exist even you didnt see one.
I Am The Strongest
I can't believe how many people would forget the Spirit Bomb. Cell may not have the power to blow up planets. But he does have the Spirit Bomb which can do the job. Given enough energy, the Spirit Bomb might even be able to destroy the Universe but I doubt Cell will be able to control that kind of power. And don't argue with me that Cell can't use the Spirit Bomb because you haven't seen him use it. Cell has every body's powers all the way up to when Freeza was killed on Earth. Why Cell didn't have Goku's Instant Transmission. I have no ideal. There was enough time to steal it from Goku and give it to Cell before Goku died of a heart virus, so I don't know why Cell never got it.
GettahBEEM
And I can't believe too that how many people here don't know what they are saying about Spirit Bomb.
IIRC Spirit Ball can only take the energy of the livings like plants,water,animals etc and can't take the energy of humans without its permission of raising its hands just like the final fight in Kid Buu. Spirit Ball have too two cons IIRC (1.) as i said cant take energy from people without raising it hands (2.) it take times to charge it, gathering energy to powerup the Spirit Ball will take too long the bigger the Spirit Ball the longer it will take to charge, so using Spirit Bomb is useless. Did you really watched DBZ?
I Am The Strongest
What did you just say. Living things like plants, water, animals. There you go, there's your answer, you just said it. My argument wasn't about how Goku gather energy. My argument was if it was strong enough to destroy planets or not. And yes, it does take time but I never said anything about time. That was your assumption. There is a difference between Goku and Cell. Goku is nice. He will always ask people to lend him energy when he needs it instead of just forcing it out of them. Cell on the other hand don't give a fuck and will force it out of them. This is from the game and is only an example. Only an example. Only... An... Example... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF3pC_dod5s .......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxsNF070b8 Notice how Goku wants others to share their energy with Goku. Cell on the other hand says, "Fuck you, give me that energy." Okay, maybe he didn't say it like that but you get the picture. Now, do you think Superman will be taking energy from the sun if he knew it will be killing it. A small amount will be okay but if it's going to be a large amount, Superman will be the same and ask the sun to share it's energy. But since the Sun has so much energy for Superman, Superman don't need to ask to take energy and Superman is like an amplifier. He takes in the energy and amplifies it in his own body, not at will. Yeah, sure they don't say that in his comic or cartoon but that's what I see when I read and watch his stuff. If that isn't true then Superman would have needed to take in a lot of Yellow Sun Energy to become as strong as he is and he would have been like a Solar Panel where he has a limit to collecting Yellow Sun Energy because his body wont be able to handle it and will stop collecting Yellow Sun Energy at a certain point but since his body is amplifying the Yellow Sun Energy. He gets stronger the more Yellow Sun Energy he collects and too much Yellow Sun Energy will turn him into a god. The Spirit Bomb don't do that. What energy it gets, that's all it gets. No amplification. But that doesn't mean the Spirit Bomb can't destroy planets. I'm both a Goku and Superman fan so if I'm talking shit about how Goku is this and How Goku is that. Doesn't mean I don't like Superman and think Goku should win. Superman out class Goku in a lot of ways. I just don't like how they made Goku so not Goku anymore. Some part of Goku, I saw Vegeta and I'm not use to that. Superman was pretty corny too. But over the years. People had made Superman pretty corny with TV commercial so I was kind of use to that. I must admit. This fight was pretty funny.