Fallout New Vegas, you are good, but you could have been great
My last good RPG I played, I would sink 8 hours a day on it at a time which only felt like minutes. That good RPG was Fallout New Vegas on the Xbox 360. But there was a problem. It is a good game, but it could have been great.
What prevented it from being very outstanding are due to growing trends in RPGs I’ve noticed. You might have experienced them in games like, Mass Effect, Dragon Age 2, and Pokemon Black/White.
In these games, you must be everyone’s best friend. You must quest or you won’t progress. There is a soft-level cap. There is only so much XP the game will give you. You must join every damn club/guild/faction. Those are complete turn-offs.
What if I want to be an asshole to everyone? The game will penalize you. Townsfolk will hate you, factions will kill you on site, and you lose out on a lot quests and XP. What if I want to piss around in the world and develop my character my own way? You are going to be very weak, very poor, and accomplish little. What if I want to spend hours in the world and grind out my levels? What if I want to be a rogue? My own man? I don’t want to be affiliated with every damn guild or faction in the game. It is so restricting.
In my playthrough of Fallout New Vegas, it starts off great. There is a very compelling narrative. It is a solid RPG. The whole old western 1950s post-apocalyptic world is a lot of fun to walk around in. The VAT system of Fallout is excellent as always. But exploration is limited because you are inherently a weakling very early in the game and only at the tail end do you start feeling a badass.
I learn who the NCR are and quickly you are going to be given a bunch of tasks for people. Yeah, you are helping everyone out because you are so helpful. If you ever want to shot that quest-giver in the face, killing them instantly, the people nearby will gun you down and you lose out on XP.
I came to this ravaged town and I get up and close with the Legion. I’m given three options, I can suck up to them, join the Legion, or start a fight. Why give me the option to start a fight with him if I will be killed within seconds? Just to show who weak I am? I wanted to have some fun and the game punches me in the face for it.
At this point, I want to try grind out some levels. So I got out into the wilderness. I might be able to kill a few mutants and scorpions, but the XP is so low, its discouraging. The only XP you will get is from major quests and a shitload of sidequests. At best, by the end of the game, you will be level 23-28. Why so low? I want to be powerful enough to wipe out cities and towns for the fun of it. Nope, you can’t, so disappointing.
I want a double-barrel shotgun, but the game doesn’t have one. And the weapons really suck. Even the real great ones are very hard to come by and you can’t spam them because ammo is hard to find. Worse yet, the game only offers so much ammo. I went to every damn vender possible and cleaned them out. Once that stockpile I have is gone, I’m shit out of luck.
You can make ammo and stuff, but to make the ammo is very annoying and tedious. You can never gain enough pieces to make a lot of ammo to be worthwhile. That is very frustrating.
You are so weak. The only way to have an easy time in the game you must resort to getting companions. Your companions are definitely much more stronger than you, you might as well find a place to hide and let your companions do all the work.
At one point, you must pick a side. You must side with either Benny, the Legion, NCR, or Mr. House. There is no way around this. You are going to make enemies and swear allegiance to one side or the other. I sided with Mr. House, because, I could still be welcomed in a lot of places and just made the Legion pissed off.
Once you do the Brotherhood of Steel quests, you are starting to be a badass. You get that armor and you are a tank. But with your ammo being limited, you gotta save that all for the fight at the Hoover Dam or else you are going to have a hard time. What I did once I got this suit, I went into the NCR stronghold and shot the place up and killed everyone. I went into the Legion camp and killed Caesar myself. It was fun doing so, but that’s as far as it went. At the fight at the Hoover Dam, I got by from being very resourceful and beat the game.
What is wrong here? I am playing a sandbox RPG with a choice making system, but I am forced to play along with the story-narrative and the only big choice to make is if you side with Benny, Mr. House, NCR, or the Legion.
I can’t level grind, but I must have all my attributes above 100 to open all the doors. I can sidequest, but there is so little and you are better off just sticking to the main storyline. You are a weak piece of shit until you pick who to side with for the Hoover Dam. And you can’t mess around in the world without making a bunch of enemies or wasting the ammunition.
Its like you are taken to Disney Land and you gotta only ride so many rides, eat here, and you can’t play any real games or talk to the Mickey Mascot. If you don’t listen, you gotta spend the entire day in the car while your family has all the fun. You are really restricted.
Now we are going into Overtime to tell you about past games and what they did right to make them outstanding games. Those games would be: Final Fantasy 7, Dragonquest 8, Knights Of The Old Republic, and Fable.
In Final Fantasy, your impression is, its a standard RPG. You expect that from Square. But the more you play it, the fighting sequences become more exciting, the world is a great place to explore and grind, the story has such a large scope and so rich, and there was something else that puts it over the top. Aerith dies. At that point, I fell in love with the game. This was in the late 90’s. You had a very integral character lose her life. Suddenly you become very attached to the characters, the story, and the game itself.
In Dragonquest 8, its another fine and polished RPG game. From the art design, to the music, to the storyline, to the characters, it is great. So what makes it stand out? You get a large selection of ingame items and weapons with the alchemy pot. You fight in the Monster Arena and you can get your Monster Team to fight for you in real fights. You can grind all you want. And after you beat the game, there is another quest waiting for you afterwards. To me, Dragonquest 8 is the gold standard for RPGs.
So those are traditional turn-based RPGs. They are a different animal when compared to Action-RPGs that have a choice making system. But those I’ve listed are the best of them. Without those small touches, they’d be easily forgotten.
Fable, the first one on the Original Xbox, it is the best of the series. You can be good or evil. The game keeps track of the evil and good things you do. But if you do evil things, you will own every building in all the land and be rich as hell. You can find this one cave and grind. At that point, the game can’t even contain you. Max out all your attributes and spells and be all the potions you can hold. Yeah, you are invincible.
In Knights Of The Old Republic or KOTOR, you are Revan and you don’t know who you are. You can be very good or very evil. Jedi or Sith, its your choice. This is where Dragon Age and Mass Effect derive from. But here, the game doesn’t be a dick to you if you go Sith and likewise if you go Jedi. Sure the game allows you so much XP, but early on, you are pretty badass. So it doesn’t matter about XP or level as long as you are virtually invincible.
What puts it over the top, at the tail end of the game, if you been evil a lot, your party will rebel against you. What you do before hand, take all their weapons and clothes, and you kill them all, but HK-47 who sides with you and will fight with you as you do this. Then you teach that bitch Darth Malak how a real Sith Lord rolls. That’s a real choice making Action-RPG.
Funny how all these titles are last generation or later. So what happened to this generation and their Action-RPGs and turn-based RPGs? They are just garbage. Final Fantasy continues to suck majorly. Bioware makes Dragon Age 2 which is a total screw-up and makes the glitched out, buggy videogame Two Worlds look like a masterpiece. And where is a real Dragonquest game? I don’t want one on the DS or a MMO.
Do I ask for too much? I just wanted a double-barrel shotgun, mess with NPCs, attain a high level, and not be a weak little bitch. Yes, it is trying to tell a story, but at what point can I let loose on the world you made and have fun with it?
While I have yet to play this, I do recall a few games that, while good, could have been great. To me right now this would be NSMB2. It's good, but it could have been so much more...
I stopped reading this three paragraphs down. You have to join one major faction at one point, the game ALLOWS you to be nice to others before this happens, if you want to be a git do the main quest and stop moaning. "Ammo is hard to come by" no, no it is not, caps are so easy to find,imsitting on about 300,000 with nothing of interest to buy, never purchased ammo.
In short wth was this frontpaged, game is about 2 years old and you are just whining because you suck ._. You could use the Riot, Hunting or sawn off shotty. Stop sucking and play the damn game. WTH was this crap frontpaged o_O. Also, there are somany opd weapons,esp with the Ultimate edition, 2 steps goodbye , overmodded chainsaw , silent sniper. If you really want to feel like you have a DBS then get a sawnoff and use bloody mess.
Edit 2 Benny always dies, you kill him or Ceaser does. You can go with Yes Man. 4 options with a few side options is great for an RPG its like 4 short games all leading to a similar ending, unlike Mass Effect 2 which was always the same,or I believe 3 which I am lead to believe was EXACTLY the same o_O. Also renegade or Paragon really didnt matter in 2, you got the same quests and no new items or exp.
"What if I want to be an asshole to everyone? The game will penalize you. Townsfolk will hate you, factions will kill you on site, and you lose out on a lot quests and XP. What if I want to piss around in the world and develop my character my own way?"
Have you ever heard of Alpha Protocol? It will most likely satisfy this desire, and it's pretty easy to find in the bargain bin of any game store.
Okay, so basically your problems are: 1.If you waste ammo, you'll run out. 2. If you don't follow the story, you don't advance. 3. You have to level up to become strong. 4. If you kill people, they're dead. 5. Choices have consequences.(Like every aforementioned decision) While I do respect your opinion I must ask: Are you sure you understood that you're playing Fallout?
I agree with you 100%. To me, New Vegas built upon what Fallout 3 brought to the table. I feel people are just too stuck in the past to accept sequels as their own game.
That's fine, but I'm sure you didn't shoot up every town like the author did. If you were to do so and accept no quests from anyone, you would be severely underpowered and would also be severely low on ammo. The only way to truly do that would be to grind, and grind a lot. Since most of your EXP comes from doing quests, avoiding them entirely would make the game rather difficult.
I only wished New Vegas allowed me to make my own faction, we got so many factions and kings out there, why dont i get to be a king and take them on with my army of raiders?
While that's strictly true, Fallout 3 is technically Obvlivion in the future! But yes it hadn't been done before & it was the best way to continue the franchise as New Vegas proved!
Fallout New Vegas is the Fallout 3 that I've been waiting for since Black Isle were shut down! It references 1 & 2 superbly and does great fan service! The writing just trumps 3 in every way and if Bethesda had given Obsidian a decent engine, then it would have been near perfect! But no they held it back for Skyrim (and it still wasn't finished), and gave them a 6- year odl engine which could barely run Fallout 3! It was that bad Obsidian had to try and re-code parts of the engine so the game could fit!
Fallout New Vegas is the most free choice RPG released since Fallout 2! You don't have to joing Ceaser's Legion, or House, or the NCR! Me & my mate have completed New Vegas multiple times which included destroying all 3 factions! Granted it takes alot of effort but i can be done!
You can level grind if you want to as there are plenty of enemies to kill! Also the stronger the enemy the more XP you get! There's plenty to gain levels! What do you mean lack of side quests? Each town gives you plenty! There's also a variety of weapons & if you search hard enough there are plenty of ammo stocks for every weapon! Plus you can take apart ammo to create other ammo types!
It seems to me that you don't like a challenge! In which case New Vegas was not the right game for you! Also if you increase the difficulty you get more XP for every kill!
What makes New Vegas so unique is the fact that it borrows so heavily from Fallout 1 & 2 (which were made by Black Isle who are now Obsidian)! One of the unique things of those games was the karma system! Unlike every Bioware RPG (including Baldur's Gate) and other RPGs that have a karma meter (including Fallout 3), New Vegas doesn't work like that! You don't have to be a saviour or devil to everyone! Each town and city and location give you a different reputation so you could be a saviour to one town and a dastardly villain to another. Depending on the actions you do will have certain people wanting you to join or wanting to kill you! There is a bit to show your overall karma (which was also in Fallout 1 & 2), but its only arbritary! The same with the companion control! Its a hell of alot more intuitive compared to 3 as it was originally implemented in Fallout 2 (which companion mechanism's are better than 3)!
KOTOR is a great RPG but its far more linear than New Vegas! As is most WRPG & every JRPG! And has the freedom that Fable wish it had! If Bethesda had given Obsidian an engine that was big enough to accomodate New Vegas (as it was too old to hold Fallout 3), the game would have been near perfect!
New Vegas wasn't a sequel to Fallout 3! That's why it's a stand alone title! It's the FAllout 3 that Obsidian wanted to make when they were Black Isle before Interplay shut them down! That's why it mainly ignores Fallout 3 & focuses on the events of Fallout 1 & 2!
I don't get that feeling, I never took on and helpers and breezed through it like a knife through butter.
I think you're asking for an experience out of New Vegas that New Vegas was never equipped to give you. It's an open-world, free choice game, but you still have to abide by certain video game rules (and real life rules), such as limited ammo, overpowered enemies, and help from people in the game.
If you want to be a lone wolf, do so, but you won't survive for too long (though, really, if you grinded enough in the wilderness, theoretically you could become strong enough to kill anyone without help. It'd be difficult, but possible).
If you want to play a game where rules and logic are less of a factor, go play a GTA game, or go play Saints Row The Third, or Just Cause 2. All of those are a lot more lenient than New Vegas when it comes to logic and realism.
New Vegas is meant to simulate life in the apocalypse, and I think it does its job rather admirably. It is loose with a lot of realism and logic because it is a video game, but for the most part, it's a great representation of how life would actually be in a post-apocalyptic world.
Also, if you want a GOD mode, play New Vegas on PC. There's plenty of mods to cater to whatever you want.
I think, overall, New Vegas is a better game than Fallout 3. Just like Majora's Mask is, objectively speaking, a better game than Ocarina of Time. But there's a reason games like Ocarina of Time and Fallout 3 are remembered, whereas their sequels are forgotten. Shock value is huge. No one had ever played a game like Fallout 3. It was a massive, open-world post-apocalyptic game. It was brand new, so we looked on with awe. New Vegas didn't have that same shock value. That's why, in the minds and hearts of most gamers, New Vegas will never be as good as Fallout 3, even though it is a better game.
Took the words right out of my mouth. New Vegas was essentially the old Fallout 3 storyline/setting. I'm very, very glad Bethesda got the series, they told an awesome story in their Fallout 3.
Games like Fallout have consequences for the choices you make, and their environment is one of desperation. If you threaten a squad of opressive, heavily armed soldiers alone, of course you'll be gunned down in seconds! And this is after the apocalypse, of course ammo's scarce! Having the oppurtunity to build your strength is important, but if you get so powerful that nothing can stand in your way, suddenly the challenge is dead. I enjoy building up my character to overcome the next challenge, but I don't want to simply walk through everything just because I grinded (ground?) for 4 hours to get to level 50 for a lvl 30 enemy. Moral choice systems do need balance, but you can't expect to do whatever you want without consequences, unless the game is designed around that principal.
erm i had exactly one shit ton of ammo and i killed everyone and everything that looked at me funny and my definition of funny is not correct to do :D , i literally had a blast with the fall out games. I think you just played it for the shooting and not the story. There are knives and other bladed weapons if your not a good shot ^_^V lol Good squeal which is more than what could be said for Fable 2...or 3. XD
Wow. So much of what you wrote here is just whiny garbage. In FO3 and NV you TOTALLY CAN go around just killing everyone. You won't get any quests because, surprise surprise, nobody likes you. You could earn money by collecting equipment and selling it but unless you have DLC (and therefore robo-vendors who don't care who you are) nobody will want to trade with you, again because you probably shot him or shot all his friends. Why would you expect differently? Why would you expect killing an entire region's worth of people to be easy? That's not restrictive, that's logical. I could go into details, but honestly that would be a waste of time. Your arguments and comparisons are laughable.
bad review. why? too easy to complain
I thought you could run New Vegas all by yourself if you wanted. Remember the Yes-Man Technitron? You could run New Vegas by yourself with his help and destroy everyone else.
But for me, right now the only reason I'm not playing another playthrough of it is because the game freezes every time I try to enter a new area in the Brotherhood of Steel. It's annoying and frustrating. If there is a real reason why this game is flawed, it's because no matter how many times the game is patched, it breaks in all sorts of ways.
Fallout new Vega's map + Fallout 3 missions = Epicness