[Rumor] Wii U costs $180 to manufacture, but MSRP is over $300
Wii U is clearly the front runner in the next generation of consoles, even if it isn’t truly on par with the rumored Durango or Orbis. Still with only a few months until E3, it comes as no surprise that more sites are speculating. Forget the Box has a source close to the manufacturing end of Nintendo’s upcoming Wii U and they report that the cost of materials is only about $180.
Roughly a third of that cost is going to the controller itself and when you account for things like R&D, labor, marketing, etc. Kotaku is billing the console at over $300. The same source has also informed Forget the Box that Nintendo is concerned "with cutting production costs to maximize profits… Nintendo wants investors to view Wii U as a less risky proposition." Like any good business. Anyone surprised by this?
That's quite a lot of dough....but I wouldn't be surprised if it costs that much.
I can respect that view, but to completely deny any idea that the Wii U isn't a ripoff doesn't help your case. I'm not saying Nintendo has always been original, like Apple, they're good at taking an existing product and expanding upon it and making it attractive to the masses. Nintendo also has always been the company to push the boundaries and do things their way and rarely submitting to popular opinion and it's almost always payed off so you can't blame others for feeling that way about Nintendo. Same thing with Sony, excellent company, creators of the best selling console ever yet their recent actions have hurt public opinion on them in terms of originality which is why people, once again, are so quick to judge them about stealing ideas and such.
The only thing we can do is to simply relay to them the correct information and hope that they take it and understand, and if not, then they're not worth the trouble. I'm pretty sure I had a similar argument with you a while back and we managed to end it with a good understanding of each other so it's rather odd that we're right back at it again.
Maybe because I can clearly see it for what it is and all you see is "PS Vita/PS3 ripoff". People who usually claim something's a "ripoff" only look at it on the surface level and obviously cannot appreciate it for what it has to offer.
Yes and the fact that you REQUIRE a PS3 and PS Vita to have such functionality makes the Wii U superior in that sense, and considering it's about a 1:50 ratio of PS3 owners to PS Vita owners, developers are probably not going to be making full use of the special functions both pieces of hardware require each other to perform until the Vita hits a higher number.
And what are you talking about "most of the Move tech demos haven't ever been done on the Wii"? I pointed out that the tech demo of the Wii U showcased how the controller utilizes its 2 screens to open up new gameplay mechanics and all the other stuff it was pretty much extras saying "Oh, and the Wii U can do this stuff too."
What it has to do is that it is in no way a ripoff. Maybe if it was only a tablet controller that and link with a TV, then that could be a rip off, or if the tablet controller was a stand alone system along with the Wii U itself, but no, the controller is required to experience what the Wii U has to offer, the Vita doesn't need the PS3 nor does the PS3 need the Vita to showcase their abilities. Just because there are similarities doesn't mean one ripped off the other and once again, how can it be ripped off when the full details of the Vita were revealed at the same time? You said it was showed off 6 months prior, but how could that be when Kazuo Hirai only confirmed a PSP successor that will have a touch screen and a few other features? I'd like to see this article about the Vita being showed off in 2010 because I tried looking for it and couldn't find it.
No I wasn't.
I'm not disputing ripping other companies off happens by every single company in all directions. I have never denied that the Move is a Wiimote ripoff. What I object to is someone claiming Nintendo are original for ripping off an idea.
Says the guy who continues to deny an obvious ripoff.
This argument is not about power, it is about functionality. If you could stop using irrelevant comparrisons and actually stick to functionality, that'd make things smoother.
And no, thats not an answer, as I said "What can the WiiU do that the Ps3 AND the Vita cannot". Saying you need both of them, therefore it doesn't count is not an answer.
Most of the Move tech demos haven't ever been done on the Wii, I guess that means the Move is a completely original piece of technology. Your logic, not mine, and thus you have to support it, or your other argument is completely bullshit.
And once again, what does any of that have to do in the slightest with the fact that the WiiU is quite clearly a ripoff? That it is one unit is a complete irrelevancy.
I am getting so freaking tired with arguing with you. Lets just both move on.
I was saying it's like comparing the power of a single PC to the power of the iMac and iPad combined. Yes I can, the Wii U can do all those things as a single unit, where as you need both a PS3 and a PS Vita. Also for cross play, as far as I know, if you want to play games like Wipeout and Ultimate MvC3, you'll need both the Vita and PS3 copy. Now unless you're rich and extremely in love with that specific game, I don't know any gamer who'd spend around $100 to have 2 copies of a game just so they can play it at home and on the go. For me, my only use for the cross play (not playing against PS3 owners, just switching from PS3 to Vita) would be if I can't find a save point in an RPG and I needed to go.
And how about that tech demo of the Wii U, using the controller to gain different perspectives of a game, or to aim or just the amount of uses the controller can have on any game that will come out for the Wii U. Developers are taking into all of this into consideration since the Wii U is one console, as for the Vita, or PS3, developers aren't going to make all their games from now on with the mindset that every PS3 owner has a Vita and vice versa, so it'll limit the amount of options Vita/PS3 owners will have compared to a single Wii U game. So yeah, there you have it.
Plus you should stop calling others fanboys when you're probably one of the clearest examples of one.
No but I do remember you were defending the idea a while ago and like I said, you're always so quick to accuse Nintendo of ripping off ideas when pretty much all the companies are guilty of some kind of idea borrowing. I mean, the reason why Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Apple are still around is because they're good at taking existing ideas and expanding upon them and making them appeal to the masses.
Yes, it is a case of you being too stupid to actually read something that spells out all your flaws and instead falling back to your classic claiming of attacking the source and not giving anything that is based in reality.
Says the man who has tried to (a) claim that the WiiU is totally getting so many games you guize!, (b) tried to say that the Move is a Wiimote ripoff, and (c) tried to claim that since the Vita does more than the WiiU, that makes the WiiU original. Howabout you come up with a single valid point first?
And no, people said it was light, not easy to handle. People who have tried it out in terms of how you can use both the touchscreen and the buttons are less than impressed.
Who said the Wii U had a bad size and shape (besides you)? In fact, people have been saying that despite its large size, it is actually quite easy to handle. The videos where they say that are now buried, but that's beside the point. Now, stop creating all these responses that change the subject to something else you think is a flaw, and at least come up with something ( besides what you used already) That is actually a relevant argument.
*above = case in point*
Wow, its like a collage of bad arguments coming in to one. Using complete irrelevancies as arguing points (how exactly does the fact that the WiiU will have a paltry handful of the Ps3's and 360 table scraps mean it isn't a ripoff?), championing mediocrity as excellence (Know what system has all those games? The Ps3 and 360. Know what the Ps3 and 360 have that the WiiU don't? Approimately 300 other shared games, present and future), strawman arguments and then just descending into accusing the other side of being misinformed. All of which does nothing to actually counter the fact that I've laid out.
Meaning you are completely out of counterargument. You're done. The reality that the WiiU is ripping off an idea that Sony had first is right here, staring you in the face, and none of your childish, braindead "arguments" as you refer to them can do a single thing to change that.
Wow, I thought they revised that after people pointed out the immense problems with that size and shape. But apparently not. Well, there's another inferiority - its badly designed, as unless you take your hand off one of the sides you can't reach all areas on the screen.
So you haven't actually seen SSFIV 3D edition in action? Shows how ignorant you are. And by the Wii U controller not being that much bigger, you mean 3 TIMES THE FUCKING SIZE OF THE VITA? source here: http://kotaku.com/5810272/fun-facts-about-the-wii-u-controllers-size. I don't care all that much what you think right now, since all it is is biased whining about how similar these two features are. Take a hint and realize that a lot of things in life are similar. No need to whine about it.
Well duh, many game developers are saying its hard to make games on the Wii U, so obviously there wasn't many games there. Besides, you got a problem with the fact that most of the "games running on other systems" on the Wii U are being claimed by the makers of the games themselves to be far better than the originals? If you observe the trailer and take an actual look at the features of the system, you can see it took them far longer than 6 months to get it working. But should I really believe the guy who has only said negative things about the Wii U? The fact is, there are probably a bunch of exclusive games planned for the Wii U and exclusive dlc on the Wii U for the games that are releasing on other systems. Besides, where you even paying attention to the tech demos, or where you to busy making claims of how much the Wii U "sucks"? The tech demos are only vague if you don't even try to understand them. All game systems have had tech demos, including *gasp* Playstation consoles and portables. Along with that, you have only rumors and your own accusations as any actual criticisms to the Wii U. The fact is, the Wii U has a ton of games for the hardcore audience. Announced thus far are: Aliens: Colonial Marines, Assassins Creed III, Batman: Arkham City, Darksiders II, and Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Online. Along with that, they have Dragon Quest X, Lego City Stories, and a whole bunch of downloadable titles that have yet to be listed. *Insert Fulchrum response below that hasn't been taken into much thought, is biased, and I won't reply to because I don't give a crap*
Yes, that does make it sound like a keyboard, which is irrelevant because we're talking about the Vita being used as a tablet for the home console version of UMVC3, which is not something that Street Fighter ever did so its completely irrelevant.
THe WiiU controller isn;t that much bigger. The fact that its the primary method really only just further proves that Nintendo took a minor feature of the Vita and ripped it off to make it the basis of their entire console.