TokyoZombie's DEATH BATTLE Fanart: Goku vs. Superman
How's it goin', fellow g1s?
Here is my latest fan art for Death Battle.
It's not my best work. There is already so much amazing Goku/Superman art on the net already, I had trouble finding inspiration and coming up with something original that stood out. So I went with a pseudo-symmetrical composition to show the characters equality in strength and fan base but contrast in style and personality. This is what I came up with.
Hope you like it!
Please superman race died in the explosion of his home planet. How is it that they say holds the explosion of 15 supernovas?. And if so, Broly and Kid Buu destroyed a galaxy, where there are thousands of supernovas and black holes, I think it's a matter of logic ...
I'll use an example, to better explain what I mean... Lets say that both SUPERMAN & GOKU were fighting for HOURS.
I'M NOT saying to make Superman POWERLESS... I mean No matter how long GOKU fights... Superman is being given constant regeneration, because of the sun.
From what I understand... Superman is can go a Long time even with out the sun.
The only thing I know that would completly drain Superman is Kryptonite... or the other things he is effected by.
If the only way superman could win is by that... what does that say about him and his abilities. can't SUPERMAN still win without it?
ALL in ALL... I just want a FAIR fight... not a "superman needs a krutch to win." I mean have a little more faith in Superman.
Things to consider before deciding the victor: 1) read wizards comic issue #133 by comic book writers Long Bo, and the entire Udon studios. 2) Why cant Goku instant transmission the second the battle starts and blow up the sun??..... Battle Over!! without the sun Supes wouldnt be so INVICIBLE! 3) WTF!!! no sensu beans? get rid of the pole and allow the beans. IMO its a draw. Goku can't decapitate Supes, but none of Supes blows would ever hurt ssj.
So, pretty much, you completely ignore my scans that I've shown you of him ACTUALLY moving faster than light, as apposed to him mentioning that he has moved faster, or that he hasn't.
1, I've already shown scans of Superman admitting he's not FTL. 2. I'm eally just trying to stick to the comics' Superman and the manga Goku. I used the Japanese dub as suppliment to my arguement, because I can't find the scans of the pages. 3, Ray Palmer has said many times that the Speed Force is a physical law. Oddly, the time the keeps springing to my mind is in JLA/Avengers (which I don't like using as a reference, BUT DC treated the events of tha book as canon so I'm okay mentioning it). 4, Kuririn never having been trained in the used of the Spirit Bomb was "locating [Vegeta's] evil Ki". Goku didn't instruct Kuririn to do it like that when he gave Kuririn the Spirit Bomb, he just told him how to form the ball and said something along the lines of 'you will know the right time to launch it'.
The Speed Force is not a law, as I've already stated. It is the source of power for only the Speedsters, and was fueled by Barry Allen, so please quit referring to it as such, the Speed Force has a physical existence. Superman also has no natural connection to the Speed Force which, regardless of what Superman-Prime says, which isn't proof he can't move faster than light, more so, him trying to break down the Man of Steal, so him trying to connect to the Speed Force is completely impossible. Barry grabs him (along with the other Speedsters) and pulls him in. It is later found out that they exist within the Speed Force. Like I've already stated prior, if you want to state that Post-Crisis Superman is not Faster Than Light, then okay, you're right, for the most part he isn't; though, in later series he does show he is FTL. If you can find me a scan where it's stated that the Spirit Bomb can hurt anyone, let me know. Funimation's Dub says nearly the exact same thing, even going further to state that it was specifically aimed at Vegeta's Evil Energy, which would dictate Superman would have to have evil in him for it to work, Goku must also asks for premission before he can gather energy for the Spirit Bomb, correct?
Here's another Dub done by Funimation, and for all Intents and Purposes, is fairly accurate, I know it's basically the same people, but there are changes to the dubs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qRFvCNzS_Es#t=92s
If you want to argue about the dubs being poor, I implore you to seek out the Big Green dub. The Speed Force, after being 'created' by Barry Allen existed in Past; Present and Future. The closest thing we get to a speed force for Superman is him breaking the whole of infinity. Him moving that fast nearly breaks the universe, so in a sense, you could consider that his Speed Force. Which is why the Flashs have the Speed Force to counter-act that. Otherwise they would constantly be stopped by The Spectre.
Using OceanDub? Ocean dub is so hacked and inaccurate, it's comical. I'll find the correct scan later, but for the time being the Japanese translation goes like this: [Vegeta has jumped over the ball, which is seen hurtling toward Gohan]. King Kai shouts "It's hopeless!". Goku telepathically says "Bounce it back Gohan! Gohan, that thing is on our side! It won't hurt you" [which in a Death Battle, any Spirit Bomb Launch by Goku will not be on Superman's side.] I'll look for the scan for you, but whatever. In the image below, King Kai explains the Spirit Bomb ("Spirit Ball") can be gather from grass, trees, atmosphere, inanimate objects, and the sun [meaning he can use it without outside help in a Death Battle]: http://www.google.com/imgres?start=100&um=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=641&tbm=i... Superboy Prime says to Superman "Where are you taking me? Where?! You can't send me back to the Speed Force. You're not FAST enough" -- Infinite Crisis # 7, pg 23 (find the scan yourself) More another time...
Goku specifically stated that anyone of pure heart can withstand a Spirit Bomb. You keep ignoring everything myself, and others have already stated about it. You keep taking what I've already told you, and claiming the same for me. That I'm not listening, which is completely false. You obviously have not read the manga, nor watched the Anime, because a simple google search will prove that Goku states this. I'll do you a favor and find it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k24GL0Hl0w0#t=0s
He states that it will not harm someone if there is no evil in their heart. Which means Superman has nothing to fear regardless of knowing this, or not. Not "Clear your mind and you can throw it back.". I look forward to your next swear-ridden post. Also, I will not be upset with the results, as I've already stated, I don't care who wins. I care about the facts, which is what I've presented you.
Going by your logic any normal human being could move a planet towards the orbit of it. I'll assume you aren't doing too well with Science. You must be rather upset because you've been proven wrong so many times that you just can't accept that you spoke without having any prior knowledge of Superman, yes, I will admit one thing, Superman is not faster than light using his legs, but flying, he is. And yeah, "That's not canon because I don't like that he can do that!". Here, I'll show you the same scans I have shown you before, which you completely disregarded. And yes, I know, you're going to go, ' THAT DOESN'T COUNT!" You completely disregard any of his feats by shouting dodgy writing, which clearly shows your fanboy mindset. Speed Feats http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/344961speed2super.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/344962speed3super.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/411/27860411px9super.gif/ Here's another one, a more recent show of his speed. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/125071/2617033-untitled166ov4wo.jpg Note the "And accelerating" part. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/pc1bc4.jpg/ That's probably my favorite one. Strength Feats http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/21554032.jpg/ http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60228/1332307-944172_supermanliftin... http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60228/1332308-944173_supermanliftin... He pulls Earth AWAY from the Sun, the opposite of it's Orbit, by himself, The Green Lantern is simply giving him a way to pull it, which is cracking under how powerful Superman is. Also, like I've already stated, the speed force is not a group of laws, or a physical barrier in the DC universe, it is what the Flashs are given their speed from, which they, and only they, can merge with if they move too quickly. Superman does not have any link whatsoever to it, like, nothing. It's not a Physical boundary, Superman has moved so fast that he nearly broke through the whole of reality, and had to be stopped by God himself, not the Speed Force, unless you're implying The Spectre is the speed force. I know, ' That doesn't count! " If you really want to debate some more, I'm all for it, but right now you just sound like a spoiled Twelve year old who was proven incorrect. And just so you don't disregard this again, SUPERMAN IS NOT BOUND TO THE SPEED FORCE, THE SPEED FORCE IS NOT A PHYSICAL BOUNDARY, IT IS NOT A LAW, IT IS WHAT THE FLASHS GET THEIR POWER FROM. SUPERMAN IS NOT BOUND TO THE SPEED FORCE, THE SPEED FORCE IS NOT A PHYSICAL BOUNDARY, IT IS NOT A LAW, IT IS WHAT THE FLASHS GET THEIR POWER FROM. If you want to specify which Superman (Post-Crisis) can't move faster than light, then that's understandable. But you flat out stating no Superman, ever has, or ever will, move faster than the speed of light is flat out wrong. What else do I need to prove it to you? If I need to I can find dozens of more scans of Superman demonstrating moving faster than light. For all intents and purposes the Universe that Superman lives in is the same as ours, minus the Super Heroes. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/moonbust4do.jpg It takes light approximately 18-20 minutes to make that trip, Superman does it in four minutes. All of these feats I've listed are Main-line Superman, a'la, canon.
Spirit bomb energy CAN hurt even good people. After Vegeta dodged the Spirit Bomb, no one, specially not King Kai was like "Oh, no worries, the spirit bomb won't hurt innocent little Gohan" -- they had to telepathically tell Gohan to clear his mind in order both avoid his being killed by it and to bounce it back toward Vegeta. No one in this Death Battle is going to telepathically tell Superman to clear his mind!! Keep in mind that was a fraction of the original energy gather by Goku and that it still almost killed Vegeta at 18,000 BP. A full power Genki Dama with the Earth's energy would easily kill Superman. If Superman can absorb energy from the Sun, Goku should be allowed to absorb energy for his Genki Dama. Although, he won't need it, as I've previously layed out in great detail MANY times. But you block your ears and close your eyes, fpsbcheezit. The truth is gonna sting like a Solar Flare [would]... and you'll call foul, and swear off Screwattack. But the one thing you can't say, is that someone didn't tell you how it was; because I just did.
For a FUCKING planet to be "heavy" it will have to be pulled in the opposite direction from either it's orbit or in the opposite direction from the sun. BUT as Superman [and 2 others] did, they PULLED the planet and the way to do that most efficiently is to pull in the direction CONTINUING IT'S ORBIT and HYPEREXTENDING ITS ORBIT! How do we know he did it the easy way and not the hard way? Because he needed 2 other people [and they all struggled] to do it. And doing it the way I described [the only way it makes any sense] TAKES CONSIDERABLY LESS FORCE THAN LIFTING THE MASS OF THE PLANET [which you intimate they did under your feable understanding of the Laws of Motion]!!! That said, once he [and 2 others] did that, the intertia of the planet already in motion would have kept the planet moving without any effort by Superman at all! I've shown scans of Superman ADMITTING he's slower than light. In Infinite Crsis, Super-Boy Prime left Earth to fly through Oa "AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT", Superman and other flyers "TOOK TO THE SKIES" with all haste traveling as fast as they could. Green Lantern Corps stalled Superboy Prime with THEIR LIGHT BASED POWERS and Superman and Earth-2 Superman caught up to them. WHY did Superman need GL Corps to intercept Superboy-Prime? BECAUSE SUPERMAN CAN'T TRAVEL FASTER THAN LIGHT AND SUPERMAN NEEDED TO CATCH UP!! FTL gets you to the Speed Force in the DCU and Superman and Earth- 2 Superman couldn't bring Superboy-Prime to the speed force, INSTEAD they flew through Rao, now consider that a Red Sun is a Dwarf Star, roughly half the size of our Yellow sun, and not nearly as Hot. Travelling at/or near the Speed of Light, Superman flew through Krypton's asteroid field and through Rao [meaning he was only exposed to the intense Kryptonite/Red Sun radiation for not more than 1 second (given the closeness of the asteroid belt to Rao)] AND HE LOST ALL HIS POWERS!!! Are you Kidding Me?! Superman has had thousands of writers and creators adding their own interpretation of how strong/fast/durable Superman is. I do not give a f**k if some douchebag writers disregard the established laws of their own fictional universe in order to simply facilitate a "Hez so strongz :3", almost-Pavlovian brain melting reaction in readers to continue to sell monthly titles; that makes the feats in those stories noncanon. I am taking the canon Superman from DCU Main Event Storylines. Goku was over 100 feet in the F**king Sky OVER WATER when he powered up to Super Saiyan 3 and shook the whole planet Earth by just focusing and expanding his energy, not even standing on the f**king thing and not even attacking the f**king thing. You wanna include feats Superman did that disregard both established DCU physics and common sense? Fine -- go talk to someone who's including feats from Dragon Ball GT and the DBZ movies into that conversation; because that's equally f**king stupid.
when is the episode coming ?
afraid superman will kill goku you need him powerless
Good ol' fashioned "I got proven incorrect, but fuck you anyway.".
My argument was the same type of argument as Eventing_Guy's proving how stupid of an argument is. I sure hope you're not one of those people who believe you can become a super saiyian for real. Also, I don't have KI, you don't have Ki, no one in our universe has Ki. If you mean QI, that's COMPLETELY different from what Ki is in the Dragon Ball universe. Plus, Superman CAN withstand a Spiritbomb, it's not an argument because Goku explicitly states anyone with Pure of Heart can withstand/hold it back. Like I've stated before, it's not a natural occurrence for Goku to be able to withdraw Ki, therefor technically outside help. Also, the Spirit Bomb would require him to ask for other living thing's Ki, which is also outside help. Same argument, take off your fanboy glasses.
Look, I'm all for Goku winning, I could care less, but what sparked this debate is you stating that Superman can not move faster than the speed of light. Which myself, and two others have proven that he can and all you can do is "nah nah I can't hear you!" and claiming dodgy writing, I could say the same thing for Dragon Ball about every plot point.
The ignorance and delusion are yours. I've already explained it all but you don't listen, and it's foolish to talk with you anymore.
Your argument is stupid. You -- fpsbcheezit -- have Ki, you just don't know how to control it. Everything has Ki, as once famously explained by Yoda on Dagobah. The other guy -- whatever is screenname was -- suggested that Superman using the Sun to maintain his power is outside help, and it technically is, but since you ca't reasonably separate a fight on earth with the sun, i'm fine with it. BUT if Superman can use the Suns rays for power, Goku must also be allowed to absorb the suns energy for a Spirit Bomb. (please save the 'using a spirit bomb on superman is pointless because he's pure' argument -- i've heard it all before). Goku can use the energy collected from the spirit bomb in any way he sees fit. his first spirit bomb was gathered into him, and he shot a ki blast with it on King Kaio's planet. His second was the same, but he formed a ball, and kept some of the genki dama energy, which he later gave to Kuririn. As for Superman absorbing the sunlight, into his cells, it can, as i earlier demonstrated, be a fatal weakness.
It can not be accessed naturally. Ki, depending on how much they have is their power level, I'm not sure what you were refuting there. What I'm getting at is, the Sun being considered an outside source of help is just stupid.
The Power Level (aka Battle Power) is just a reading of how strong their Ki is. Ki is neccessary to ive, to breath. Ki IS life force, not outside help. How can you recieve outside help from your own Vitality? You can't.
Which is not accessible unless you draw it out or pull it from around you. I also never recall them calling it anything other than Fighting Power or Power Level, though, I haven't seen the show in a while.