Episode 23 - DC Comics VS Marvel! The dark knight battles the web crawler in a duel to the finish! Who will win? Who will die?
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wait....whatthepuck responded to me? must have missed that....has more shit gone on at Superman vs Goku that I didn't see?
@whathepuck
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/3029252-1443330-i...
HE HACKED SOMETHING THAT TONY STARK HIMSELF MADE... I repeat the guy who makes Suits of armor that no normal person can hack.... just got HACKED BY PETER PARKER!
Seriously the guy made tracers that allows him to track a suspect using said tracker ... VIA SPIDEY SENSE!
Well okay they actually emit a frequency that his Spidey-Sense picks up, and is able to track anything that he puts a Spider-Tracker on with just his Spidey Sense ... more or less.
Also has made the following:
His STEALTH suit: which is able to go completely invisible and has sound cancelling abilities.... making it literallly HIS NINJA OUTFIT as he could be sitting right next to you and you wouldn't notice as he'd be both invisible because it's LIGHT NEGATIVE and wouldn't make a single sound.
His own variation of the GOBLIN GLIDER, He calls the Spider-Glider.
2 upgraded versions of his armored suit....
One of which he HAD to make because he had lost his Spidey Sense and couldn't really dodge bullets like he used to be able to.... so he made a suit that was both lightweight and bullet-proof.
Furthermore... Batman is ESSENTIALLY the Green Goblin in the eyes of Peter.
Both are Multimillionaires with a crazy costume, Hight-tech gadgets, Genius IQ's, and both are great at Hand-to-hand combat.
AND Spider-man is shown to be able to take down Green Goblin all the time... so it's not THAT far-fetched to believe that he could take down Batman.
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@Showzilla: Its amazing how often you seem to be relying on Peter being an idiot, and that somehow being a positive. Not noticing that the drunk controlling Machiavellian asshole might have not given you 3 billion dollars worth of equipment just as a present is... I honestly don't have a word for that level of stupid.
If you really want to play it that way? Batman has the Justice League, and Superman can destroy all of those groups singlehandedly. But this is of course stupid as we are talking about the resources each one has at his disposal, not the resources each one could steal.
You certainly seem to be very convinced that Peter Parker can do a lot with $50. I guess thats why he's never had to worry about bills, because he's so great he can overcome anything with no money. Oh, he has? All his life? Indicating he's nowhere close to the level you keep putting him? What a surprise.
Bane came out of fucking nowhere, having no records or public appearances. Ditto with Rhas Al'Ghul, who spent centuries keeping his very existence a closely guarded secret. Spider-Man is such an ego-tripper, he sells his own selfies to the newspaper (and oh, its gonna be so fucking hard to figure out that the guy who took those photos, and is Spider-Mans oldest and only actual friend in New York city, is Spider-Man. Yeah, thats a mystery no-ones gonna crack) . And no, Joker doesn't know who Batman is - they've confirmed this.
What part of the word prepare do you not understand? Here's a tip - there's a great big "pre" in front of it. Indicating you do it beforehand, not when something has blown up in your face.
And do you really wanna talk pampered when we're dealing with the kid who just got lucky and received all of his powers from a spiderbite, as opposed to the man who trained his body and mind every day for 30 years?
SO yeah
(a) Peter can't hack for shit unless he's dealing with a complete moron who leaves their stuff with him for 6 fucking months.
(b)Batman can figure out exactly who he is, where his powers came from and how to stop them, easily.
(c) SPider-Man can do some mediocre party tricks on a budget, but Bruce is every bit as smart and in a fuckload more fields, so anything he can do, Bruce can do richer
(d) Spider-Man is gonna find out why exactly Batman is considered the best with prep time.
@what the puck
1. Tony's suit was a gift, what reason did parker have to assume anything was up. That will not be the case with Bruce's toys. The moment parker touches it, he's going to assume there are security measures and he will overcome and Batmans toys WILL fail him in his time of need.
2. Spidey has: the Avengers, the New Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the Future Foundation and the X-men. Peter has contacts, Peter has resources. Remember, with 50 dollars, Peter is a match for Bruce's 100 billion dollars, now imagine peter with 100 billion to work with.
3. No, batman has been wrong on many an occasion. first and formost, Bane out preped him. Ra's al Ghul has out done him. http://www.comicvine.com/articles/off-my-mind-does-the-joker-know-batman...
The Joke probably does infact know that Bruce is Batgod. Batman has to first connect Spidey to Peter (hard enough) but the only people that would be of any real help will be giving peter a call right after to let him know someone has been snooping around.
3. No life insurance? is that the best you got? we are talking about someone who is leading a double life, if any insurance company knew about peter's "job", he couldn't afford the life insurance, he isn't some pampered little bitch whose parents left him billions of dollars to......Bruce is useless without his money!!! I digress
a. Peter can hack Bruce's shit
b. Peter has snuck into places with high grade security before and gotten out
c. Peter has just a good prep time as Batman on barely a fraction of the budget.
d. Batgod will have his altar drop kicked into a thousand tiny pieces.
Game over.
@Showzilla
So it took him six months to find the security devices....and yet somehow he's not a complete failure at detection? But fine, I'll indulge your idea. So then if Spider-Man encounters Batmans technology, it will take him 6 months to figure out if there are even security measures on it.
Bruce always has his money. Peter Parker has ended up killing or alienating anyone who ever felt like giving him something. So he doesn't have any resources.
Oh yeah, because Batman has no experience with gasses and can't counter that. Yep, there's just no-one in Batmans universe who uses toxin as his main weapon that he can learn from their techniques to counter a gas mask.
Proving that Tony Stark is an idiot. Now try showing me "worlds greatest detective fails to figure it out", hmm?
Batman doesn't assume shit. Being the worlds greatest detective means you don't get this shit wrong, even if it takes insane leaps of logic (that are always validated as completely right). Only one person can successfully keep any secret from Batman - The Joker. And he kept that by not having a goddamn origin, just by emerging from the insane hopelessness and desperation of Gotham. So the only way Spider-Man could elude Batman's detective skills, is by actually not having an origin. Aaaaaand not happening for a teenager with a bug bite.
(Oh and, the Joker doesn't have a clue who Batman is. Death of the Family was the Joker bluffing the entire time.)
And no he has not grown a single bit since then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be7PyRQQjLE
What part of "no life insurance" do you not understand?
@what the puck
ooh, is that an absolute statement?
so you can prove every single time Peter was tracking people down, he blundered into it, you can prove that on every occasion.
Tony had security measures in his suit. If I slipped a small safe in your pocket,that required the best safe cracker in the world to open, and you found it like six months later and you cracked it in like day, your still the worlds best damn safe cracker.
so, Bruce can build off other peoples work, but peter can't? again, peter hacked Tony's shit, he can hack Bruce's second rate (comparatively) toys.
now, peter can counter that whole bug bomb thing easy....filtered mask. like the one in his iron spider suit....that he would remember and use as a basis.
now, "batman would learn about the spider sense and use it against peter"....how? Tony tried that...with specialized machinery, and months of prep time...and it failed. rich gadget using bastard studies spiderman and loses, sound familiar?
Batman will probably just assume peter is hyper paranoid like he is. If he can use other people's work on Peter, Peter can use other peoples work on Bruce. Joker figured out who bats was, Bane figured it out. "but peter couldn't figure out who norman osborn was"....when he was 15 fucking years old, he's grow alot since then..
also, Peter is most definately not arrogant. he may be a smart mouth shit talker, but there is a method to that madness. It keeps him calm and throws his foes off, if he can still joke, the situation isn't all lost and if the joke pisses his foes off, they slip up. All of Peter's life has done one thing....made him humble.
so again, if Frank Miller couldn't save Batman, what makes you think you could do any better?
@Showzilla
Hush.
Oh lookit that.
And by "tracking down" you mean "randomly stumbling across them", in every goddamn instance.
Ooh, he knows how to put a tracker on someone. Well, surely that makes him the next Sherlock fucking Holmes.
Oh, you mean the suit that he cobbled together from the research of other people at Horizon labs?
No, that was Kurt Connors invention that he gave to Peter.
So he managed to blunder into a solution? Whats your point?
You mean the suit that Tony gave him for a full 6 months, and didn't check up on him at all with, and that he allowed to take home and do with as he pleased, and modify however he wanted? Hacking that is the sign of brilliance?. So yeah, if Bruce is as colossally stupid as Tony Stark in letting Spider-Man actually take all of his stuff and keep it for 6 months, you might have a point.
Again, came across them by accident. Just lucking into this shit through plot contrivance isn't a sign of skill or intellect.
....Batman would use his resources to bribe the 27 people who do know Spider-Mans weakness to give it to him. Duh. Not all research is primary.
However, even if he didn't, Batman can observe that Spider-Man is aware that he is being observed - the act of acknowledging measurement gives information on awareness abilities. From this, Batman can figure out how to subvert the Spider-Sense completely.
So, here's how it actually goes. Batman uses his research to observe Spider-Man, and uses his detective knowledge to figure out who he is (Spoilers: Its the one guy in the fucking city who got pictures of Spider-Man). He studies his history, uses the public records to find out where he got his powers from by observing what events predated his first manifestations of power, and goes forward with the theory of a cross-species abilities transferral. Using this, he figures out his weakness. Gets a bug bomb big and powerful enough to blanket New york city, and waits to set it off.
Because he's an arrogant prick, Spider-Man doesn't feel the need to prepare, just like he doesn't ever do in the comics (motherfucker doesn't even have life insurance - he thinks he's invincible). The rules say both would be allowed prep time, but the rules also mean each contestants personality remains the same - meaning Spider-Man would act like he always does.
@and here is the amount of times Batman has beaten superman in cannon print
0
cannon times superman beat Batman
about 3
Video game stunts
-tracking down Doc Ock, Venom and several other villians through various (if unorthodox) methods.
Comics:
-The various times he has tracked enemies down using his spider sense and a dirt cheap radio transmitter.
- his anti-sinister six suit
-lacing his suit with acid to hurt rhino
-injecting himself with radiation to hurt morlun
-figuring out Tony was spying on him and hacking his equipment (if he can hack Tony's stuff, he can damn sure hack bruce's stuff)
-The time he found numerous enemy facilities and plans and stopped them (he kind has a career of this shit).
So, no...
as for figuring out peter's weakness..how? study peter in action? spider sense will tell peter he's being watched.
now, prep time says both get prep time and both are aware of the other one's existence and get time to study (to the best of there ability with no prior knowledge) and prepare (again, the best of their ability with no prior knowledge). Spidey tracks down batman, figures out he is Bruce wayne. Wayne comes home one night to find all his toys have been hacked, destroyed and some of them stolen. Peter's spider sense will keep Batman from discovering who he is and then when the fight comes, Spidey comes riding in on reverse engineered Wayne technology screeming "even Frank Fucking Miller couldn't save you now!!!" before drop kicking Batman in half.
@showzilla: And here is the list of being Spider-Man has beaten who could defeat Superman
- - -
and of course -
Yeah, thats an awful lot of "He could do it" coming from you, no actual evidence.
Well, if Peter Parker could find Batmans house (and he can't, because unlike Batman, Spider-Man isn't a fucking detective, and can't work out anyone's identity without them flat out fucking telling him - he didn't even know his best friends father was the Green Goblin, so we're already just starting out with a bullshit premise, but I will humour you), he's going to be invading the home of a paranoid lunatic with a gigantic secrecy complex and a real fear of home invasion. So he's going to fail to give a password, and find himself in a room flooded with nerve gas.
Batman, meanwhile, has to only figure out that the guy with bug themed powers is incredibly weak to bug spray.
Oh and, Batmans fought insect themed guys with superpowers too (Charaxes). Difference is his one was powered by a demon lord of hell. So yeah, slightly higher tier than radioactive spider.
@what the puck
and when bats fires that laser, it will instead crash itself into sputnik because spiderman hacked it.
again, he out Hacked Tony Stark, that's the only feat I need to take out the bat.
also, Tony is at least as smart as Bruce, there intelligence isn't spread out in the same manner, but still. Tony keeps up with Bruce despite the fact that Tony still has a social life (of a playboy alcoholic), so that means Tony is staying competitive with a handicap.
Basically, batman will start studying spiderman and spying on him. Spidey's spidersense will tip him off to this, Spidey will infiltrate Bruce's base, sabatoge his shit and then watch as Bruce wayne's 6 months of prep time literally blows up in his face. So we can add Batgod to list of galactic powers that spiderman has beaten the shit out of.
now, spidey has beaten gadget using psychos with tons of money on numerous occasions.
-Tony Stark
-Norman Osborn
-Kraven
-Doc Ock
Lest we forget that is uncle Ben had not died, he would have put Tony out of business.
"And Iron Man wasn't trying to kill Spidey, just capture him. Ones considerably easier"
awe, aren't we an adorable little one...Spidey countered Tony without trying to kill Tony. He could have hacked Tony's suit and made it explode, killing stark...but he didn't...he could have snuck into Stark's house when he knew what Tony was up to and murdered him...but he didn't. Spidey didn't want to kill Tony, so he most definately held back on his end. He won't on Batman.
so Bruce can look forward to....
-being murdered in his sleep
-having his own machines hacked and turned against him
-have his machines self destruct and being left with nothing more that his body to fight Spiderman....gonna try and sell me that Bruce is a better fighter than Peter Parker?
either way,no prep, spiderman wins. Prep time, spiderman wins.
Whoop de shit that he can do more on a budget, I'm sure that'd give comfort to his corpse when Batman uses a specially made high orbit laser cannon to roast the guy, that his plan didn't cost as much even though it didn't work.
And Iron Man wasn't trying to kill Spidey, just capture him. Ones considerably easier.
Also, Tony Stark is nowhere close to as smart as Batman. Stark is a genius in the fields of metallurgy, robotics, chemistry, and energy (fitting for a weapons engineer). Batman is an expert in every known field of study, owing to him being a paranoid lunatic with no friends who spent his entire life training and studying in every field that could conceivably be of use.
And I notice you STILL didn't actually list any prep time feats for Spider-Man at all.
@whatthepuck
actually, spiderman has better prep time feats because he does all his prep work on a much smaller budget than batman.
having several billion dollars and access to technology that can study his every move day in and day out totally helped Tony Stark get the one up on spiderman....wait, no it didn't.
give batman 3 trillion dollars, he might stop galactus
give spidey 3 trillion dollors, he might stop galactus and will then proceed to try and bail america out of debt.
Oh yeah, SPider-Man could totally match Batman in preparation, what twith the billions of dollars he has at his disposal- oh. Right.
Spider-Man doesn't have any notable achievements in preparation, while Batman is pretty much built around anticipating his oponent and preparing a counteroffensive for what they do. Its fine to point out the rules would limit Batman, but don't try and claim that Spider-Man is anywhere close to the same level as Batman in preparation and anticipation.
I love you guys. Really, I do...but enough with the Naruto suggestions. It's been suggested since the beginning and it still hasn't happened. Leave off...
This was definitely a close battle. In the end though, the Spider sense was just too much for Batman to keep up with. It's hard to a land an attack when your opponent has an ability that warns them of incoming attacks. Although, I actually think Batman would have won if they been given, say, a month to prepare for this encounter. It very well could have been enough time for Batman to develop a gadget to overcome the Spider Sense.
As per normal, my list of match-ups
Here are some match-ups to consider
Hawkeye vs. Legolas
Gandalf vs. Ganondorf
Markus from Gears of War vs. The Character from Fallout
Solid Snake vs. Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell
Dante from Devil May Cry vs Deadpool
Hulk from Marvel Comics vs. Bane from DC Comics
Diddy Kong vs Miles Tails Prower
Naruto vs. Avatar Aang
Vincent Valentine from FF XII vs. Jack from Jack and Daxter
Falco Lombardi vs. Zero from Megaman
Dovakiin from Skyrim vs. Ezio Auditore
Megaman vs. Cyborg from DC Comics
Green Lantern vs. Pheonix from X-men Justice league vs Avengers Team Battle • JLA (New 52) o Superman o Green Lantern o Wonder woman o Cyborg o Aquaman o Batman o Flash o Martian Manhunter o • Avengers o Captain America o Ms. Marvel o Thor o Ironman o Hawkeye o Black Panther o Quicksilver o Vision
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