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I completely agree we are in an immature medium. I honestly typically refer to M as massive blood, swearing, sex, and drugs. Now there are some games rated M that show these things and do something meaningful with it. I mean I have seen very few R movies out of personal preference, but damn some of them hit home. Those movies show us what happened back then as close as they can and you feel the pains of what happened.

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Games are meant to be fun, documentaries are meant to be educational and though provoking. The two mediums are pretty different I'd say. Games will always fundamentally be required to be fun else they will never be played. Now to have a game be fun and bring up really thought provoking discussion will be quite hard since thought provoking dialog will play second fiddle to the game being fun. Only in the RPG types of games is any real type of dialog really important and scrutinized. And to be honest where are the strongest RPG games made in.....Japan. Guess what, JRPGs all have moral lessons built into the plots like every Disney film does. At the same time that question gets largely glossed over because is never really discussed by the gamers. Instead we discuss plot and game play. Hardly ever do we have discussions about morals and ethic issues raised in a game. So I wouldn't blame developers too much. The content is out there to get the discussions going. It's just we as gamers largely ignore the issues like people don't discuss the morals of the latest Pixar movie. Instead we talk about how fun it was to watch the movie and to play the game.

I find the point about game developers often simplifying the war in the east is an interesting one, with which I have a strange familiarity. I did an essay recently for school, in which I detailed many of the same points. I also did a little bit of research. Did you know that, while HALO is rated M, and is completely fictional, many games based around this conflict with no plot, and where you mindlessly kill the "paki bastards"(quoted from one of these such games) are rated Teen? I find it interesting that taking a massive cultural, military, and economic issue and simplifying it down to "shoot the bad guys" is acceptable to show to teen audiences. Who, speaking as a member of said group, are less likely to recognize these subtle but important differences between pointless and useless violence like in many of the games centered around the eastern wars and the necessary, and well entitled violence that comes with self defense, such as in HALO, and in worldly defense, such as in any game involving world war two or one.

I believe blood and gore to be unhealthy to watch to much of, due to desensitization. we want to understand that murder is murder, sure. There`s no question of that immediate danger. However, the long term dangers of simplifying such a dumbfoundingly complex issue with many layers of reasoning and issues down to such infantile and simple terms, and then marketing them to the most impressionable game market, seems like a much greater issue. Why? Because if this becomes the norm, the world`s most popular hobby next to sex and texting will be marketing the concept of violence solving problems as the proper method. Not even HALO or COD does that. HALO still has a plot enough to have other means be the primary conflict resolver, and just needs violence to achieve the goals set through thought and logic. In Call of Duty, I can't say I have much experience. However, as most of the series is based in World War Two, we know the logic and reasoning already well enough to understand the violence's purpose, and we know perfectly well that any non-justified violence is meant to show the brutality of the situation. Since a better part of the public, and most teens, are fairly uneducated about the eastern wars, this simplification of purpose in terms of violence and war could lead to severe problems in future generations in issues similar to this should this trend continue in both gaming, and into other mediums.

This is not to say that some eastern based conflict games aren't good. I'm certain that somewhere, there is one that focuses on the importance of the issue. Or at least, I hope to whatever god will listen that there will be. However, with the recent stagnation of gaming in the war and fps genre, I don't think that these will be easy to come by. Though Hollywood has indeed managed to focus on the true issues(much to my satisfaction), Gaming is not such a fixed entity. Rather than being basically one entity, and as such generally following much of the same beliefs and formulae, gaming is much more fluid. There are many Hollywoods in gaming, from Nintendo to Microsoft to Apple, and they all have target markets and beliefs. As such, we can assume that they will respond differently to an event like this, which has so shaped our society today. Unfortunately, this means we'll be dealing with a lot of action oriented, no plot eastern themed shooters. I just hope the general public won't buy in, and will force a change. God forbid they don't. COD MW4 is just something I don't want to see.

So in summary, the video game industry/community demanding to be taken seriously as a medium, but refusing to accept the innate harshness that that implies and throwing a temper tantrum any time it happens, is almost identical to a 12 year old claiming that they want to be treated like a adult, but then whining about how 'unfair' it is any time an adult actually holds them to the same standard that the rest of are every day. Seems like an accurate comparison to me.

Video games have moved out of their infancy, discovering what they are and how the world works, ie. Pong and Pacman Era", and childhood, experimenting with what is provided and what can be created, ie. The "Golden Age" up to just recently, and now moves into the teen years, learning if what you have discovered/created has any actual application in the "Real World". And in order to to discover the answer to that, you must ask what is, in my opinion, the most painful question of all:

What is the purpose of video games?

Gaming obviously still has growing up to do. The best way is to include more people into the medium which has already begun. Sure there will be bad apples and sure great games will have bad elements, but these will be overshadowed by the massive amount of games which are oriented to everybody rather then one particular group.

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It's been a while but I remember there were people making thoughtful counter arguments to the hulk critic. Yes there were trolls, but those show up on controversial articles all the time, like in news articles about politics. It's kind of low that you'd characterize them all as whiners just so you can make yourself look better than everyone.

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