The Game OverThinker - Episode 68 "Crass Effect"
The Game OverThinker takes a look at how fans have responded to the ending of Mass Effect 3. Don't worry- spoilers not included!
i understand your side and the side of the one complaining i don't like the end of mass effect 3 but i am not going to make threats but yea
the big problem i got is that the end result of mass effect don't give a damn about what happens in the time before the end teh whole end game is desided on the end itself in the same way like deus ex human revolution did it (and i wasn't happy about that either but whatever)
the game gives you a choice in the end both leading to a solution to the enemy you where fighting all the time giving a big loss to one thing or the other , you choose and then you see the ending synamatic
what happens before you reached that choice doesn't have any effect at all wich angers teh people , i understand there anger, but it is true, bioware gave you a choice, and made sure you won't see mass effect 4 (or any other spinoff or whatever they may or may not make ) wouldn't have Sheppard in it
***spoiler just in case*** and true they gave a choice, but both let you die in horrible ways or you die giving your soul to controll the technolygy of the reapers but destroying the mass effect relays making live go back a 1000 years into teh past technolagy wise or you die because you kil a ll sybernetic life , meaning everybody with a arm protese or so, a mechanical lounge would all die into your hands, no more geth either, and no reapers but in both cases you die and cause major problems at that point you also need to walk for a minute or 2 to trigger the events because you are wounded and need to walk all the way to 1 of the controll pannels, and you wait to long? suprise :D you die with the rest of the galaxy T.T
***End oif spoiler***
now i know they made a free DLC makes the story better in a way and it si free (but my Xbox won't go online) so i haven't been able to check it out
i can understand that they can't make a different ending for each charrecter you saved or let die, for every mission you did or didn't do, but it feels so damn cheap and that is what annoys the most people that played it
now also i do have to add that the choices thing does work out a little in teh story as you ply it, in small ways, like did you have a relation with one person (for me liara, as a female charecter) and in the second game with thane ,liara will ask who you choose and as she is the shadow broker in 3 visiting thane will make her mad for a while, these are nice touches to the game and thus bioware is true to it's word, choices make a difference
but as we all know there is also a higher power that is putting it's hand where it doesn't belong as for ordering changes to the game and so, but lets not go into that
i think i rambled enough, i agree with you, but i also understand the hate wasn't my favorite ending of one of my favorite games but live doesn't always go as we want it right
sorry for the ramble ^^ i jut like to discuss stuff at times :)
For me, I realize that Bioware didn't owe me jack squat. However, where I was coming from personally was indignation on Bioware's behalf. It was made pretty clear that when someone leaked the original ending, EA made them change it while still adhering to a non-negotiable release date VERY late in the development process. It was really clear that they HAD to cut corners and essentially slap it all together in a hurry to make their deadline. That is what pissed me off. So, my campaigning for the extended cut wasn't so much "Bioware owes me an ending tailored to my experience!" as much as "EA! Back off and let the people at Bioware put out their magnum opus without you telling them what to do!" But that's just me.
this should be done by someone who played the trilogy not someone who has not
Raimi owes me a lesbian scene!
yes there definitely needs to be an update on that matter........
this was great for addressing the individual complaints , that still leaves much of what tgot talked about in the video unaddressed though........
The point about "entitlement" is one reason why I see this in such stark contrast to the message of OpRainfall. The people there didn't argue that Nintendo owes them - the point is simply that the games would be profitable, and that Nintendo would be rewarded if the games *do* get released outside of Japan. However, I can't say that the relationship between developer & gamer ends with a game purchase. Brand loyalty is quite powerful, and part of cultivating that relationship with consumers is that the company *is* expected to do right by consumers. BioWare had no legal/financial obligations to create/release the DLC, but it serves their future interests to keep their fanbase happy. Just like how Nintendo chose to make OpRainfall activists happy, with the Wii U coming out soon.
I've just beaten Mass Effect 3, I can see why people dislike the ending but it seems fine to me and the game as a whole is excellent. BioWare games have been like this for a while though (since KotOR as far as I know), choices you make throughout the story effect your relationships with others and who takes part in the final battle but the actual ending is determined exclusively by choices at or near the climax of the story.
Take Dragon Age for example. The ending is determined by two choices, one immediately before the Siege of Denerim and one before striking the killing blow on the Archdemon.
Thanks for a more crash course on the ME3 ordeal, and those issues you provided...dear god the level of crying that think they own and I agree with you, they did ended up with a raw deal but to go overboard as to think they own it...that is delusional! If I ever did play it and got to the ME3 ending, I would say that they made poor choices as to not completely vary the endings enough. I mean, I can say that Suda51 owes me a better ending to NMH2, but I don't fucking bitch to him for a better ending. Overall, great video and hope you will update this of the current change that has occurred.
There's another possibility that you may not have noticed, maybe because of the date this episode was posted (I honestly don't remember when the info I'm about to bring up was first announced), most likely because it's more of a small conspiracy theory: BioWare knew this would happen, and planned accordingly. That paid DLC came fast, don't you think? You don't make an "epic" trilogy and fumble at the very end. Unless of course, you suck. But if you sucked, how could you come up with decent solution in a matter of weeks? It seems awfully fishy to me.
Why doesn't Bob put those versions on the site and then include the story versions on his personal blog page or site?
I do agree with you on many points on the argument since, if you did buy it, then you really shouldn't complain about changing the ending. I mean, you bought. Still, I think that Chipman should have experienced the ending or Mass Effect to understand the predicament more closely.
I was about to write a long ass text until I stumbled upon your text. perfectly said. Someone who hasn't even played the game bashes us, lol...
spoiler alert people we have the clues at the end of the game shepar full blown indoctrination is not until you get pwnt by the lase the Harbinger shoot and that at that point you are passed out at the crucible, and Harbinger is doing what he has always wanted, (ID of Shep) This is supported due to the realistic look of the run down the hill.
THE PROOF: by kyleh619
1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens! 2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist. 3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist. 4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die. 5. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade. 6. Shepard awakes at the end of destroying Reapers. But Shepard is not awaking from the aftermath. He is awaking from either after he is hit by Harbingers lazer attack on Earth or after the scene with Anderson and the Illusive Man. 7. Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better. 8. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!" 9. Never trust any child construct, be it a ghost or artificial intelligence, or heck even human. They are just creepy. 10. Shepard awakes at the end because he has broken hold of the Reaper's control. 11. Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination. 12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the attention.
The main problem in general today is people have a sense of entitlement for all sorts of shit that isn't theirs. But I'll avoid getting into that because I don't want to get political here. Regarding gaming, the only thing people are entitled to is quality that something is well built and works as intended (which this game looks like it does). The reaction to the ending of this game (which I could care less about & will never play anyway) is absolutely ridiculous.
That guy who's going through with the FTC lawsuit needs to have his console broken over his head since he's a total moron & has no use for a brain anyway. This is what happens when you give a bunch of spoiled brats something that's unnecessary for a game anyway (a story). Which is yet another of a multitude of reasons I'll always choose old school games devoid of stories or those having minimal stories over today's games.
The failure of the Mass Effect Endings is that each one has massive philosophical implications and consequences....that just don't manifest within games narrative...I like to think Bioware intended that YOUR shepard's experiences in the universe throughout the series would influence YOU in your final choice as in, your opinion of the correct choice...problem is that there is no consequences of this choice, and added ambiquity for the characters' fates and, generally I find that when something leaves you with more questions than answers, it leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth....really I just want some DLC to expand upon the characters and explore the consequences....the endings weren't the best, but I feel Bioware just failed on presenting it to us
Sir you are sooo right on this one. Also what was that prologue? Who is that kid the old man is telling the story to? The game never stablished it was in the past tense. Horrible ending and Bob forgot how expensive, both in time and money, a game is when compared to others forms of media.
I'll keep this in mind when I watch the next ep. I always thought that the storyline should be it's own separate web show but I think Bob knows NO ONE would watch it if he did that. As for bitching about ME fanboys outrage, he did a bang up job but personally I don't think anyone should talk about a subject they admittedly know nothing about. When he said he has not played the ME series for beginning to end, all credibility was lost.
I'll be brief since I assume you are busy on the next episode. I appreciate that you tried to take on this topic. However, I didn't like your strawman argument of "ME fans." It seemed most of your argument was to try to make ME fans look really annoying and insane. Did you actually pull those complaints from real sources? "I wrote the game because I made choices in it." Seriously, where did you see fans saying this?
No, the complaints are as follows:
1) The ending sucks.
1)a) The ending actually makes no sense. Like. really. It doesn't. It directly contradicts characters, events, and the established way in which the ME universe works. Not just in one or two ways, but in a plethora of ways.
2) The decisions you've made throughout the series make almost no impact at all on the ending. This is not hyperbole. When I say "almost no impact," I mean I have to split hairs to come up with even 1 way.
2)a) BioWare made many generalized AND specific statements about both the end of the game and the actual ending which did not turn out to be true. For instance, they said your decision about the Rachni would play a huge impact on the end of the game. They are literally never once mentioned or shown anytime near anything that could be considered near the end of the game. This is not "marketing," it's a false statement that BioWare made. This is an example.
3) The ending of ME3 goes against the entire model of Mass Effect as a series.
4) BioWare literally promised the game was fundamentally different than other games where you can choose between 3 endings at the very end of the game. Funny thing, there are 3 endings to choose from at the very end of the game. Again, I am not bending the truth. BioWare was quoted as saying the game will not have 3 endings, and it did have 3 endings.
4)a) BioWare has also said that it would be fundamentally different from normal video games in that you would see the impact of many decisions throughout the course of your games in the ending. You don't, and so it isn't.
5) You're okay with a video game company saying "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Okay, sure. Fine. Then why is it wrong for a customer to say "I didn't like it, nor the way in which you conducted yourself, so I will refrain from buying any more of your products. I am willing to change my stance and overlook my previous disappointment if you change what I didn't like." Really? You think that's irrational fanboyism?
What's the point of this video? You're merely parroting what most gaming sites said weeks ago. You'd look like less of an ignorant dumbass if you actually played the game, otherwise you have no business commenting on this subject. You just saw it as another chance to get up on your high horse and spew pretentious garbage. And "entitlement", that buzzword is really starting to get on my nerves. If this keeps up game devs are just going to keep hiding behind "entitlement" when they're criticized.