The Game OverThinker - Episode 68 "Crass Effect"
3/25/12 11:30pm
The Game OverThinker takes a look at how fans have responded to the ending of Mass Effect 3. Don't worry- spoilers not included!
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Mattwo
You know your viewers will agree with you, but really the average gamer these days are too closed-minded and stupid. The vast majority of gamers these days are little kids playing T and M rated games and being immature even for their ages...
Mattwo
If you're going to ignore everything he said because he didn't do his research then I have to say the pot's calling the kettle black here. He's made some excellent points.
JMAN_B5
The truth of the matter is that the majority of players unsatisfied with the ending (myself included) are just communicating cordially with Bioware. Since when did consumers pushing back against a product that they felt unsatisfactory become entitled babies whining? I have news for you and Bob, that is how Capitalism works. Our message to Bioware is simple, if they do not fix the ending, they will no longer get future business from us. Simple as that. No threats, just saying we will no longer support the company. Also, stop with this "Artistic Intention" BS. This is not Museum Art. Do you people really think the game is made in a vacuum where the "Artists" can do whatever they want in a commercial product? Of course not! Fallout 3 changed it's ending. Hell, even Arthur Conan Doyle changed his decision to kill Sherlock Holmes. This is what I mean by research, Bob has no freakin clue what he's talking about. On a story telling level, they simply failed. A good story does not introduce new elements in the last 10 minutes with no setup.
TheGreenBeaner
Sorry Chief, I'm inclined to disagree with you on this one. If you bought a product with explicit knowledge of the ending, as in you know the end game word for word because Bioware told you this, and then they changed it, then yes, you'd be correct. But this was not the case. It wasn't even an option. They said ME3 would finish the story and tie up any loose ends. And they delivered. This isn't a bait and switch (which is the term used in markets when a product is promised but not delivered on and subbed out for another item), gaming by its very nature is a grab bag. You don't know what you're going to get. And its the risk we all take when we purchase games. If I buy a game like Operation Flashpoint: Red River, and it sucks, guess what, I lose out on the money I spent. I don't contact Codemasters and "cordially" file a complaint. I just don't purchase from them again. Thats consumerism and capitalism. What you're expressing is more arrogance that you're in command of an intellectual property that you don't own. No matter how you slice it. And guess what, Bioware will "fix" the ending, and you'll pay for it. Welcome to the masseuse parlor, 60 bucks gets you massage, throw in ten extra dollars and they give you a happy ending.
And by the way, that happy ending isn't going to please everyone, so don't be surprised if you're not totally pleased by it.
JMAN_B5
You are you assuming it is about a happy ending??? There you people go again assuming things. It's not about having to get a "happy" ending, if you bothered to research things you would know this. Whether or not they delivered is an OPINION not a fact. You are tieing everyone to the one person who filed a complaint, and assuming everyone is the same. I never filed a complaint, and am against it. All I did was tell Bioware if they do not fix the horrific ending, I will no longer buy their products in the future. That is my RIGHT as a consumer. That is how capitalism works. YOU are the one who brought the FTC complaint into this not me! Learn some reading comprehension skills.
TheGreenBeaner
Your right as a consumer is simple, just don't buy any more of their products. You don't have to write a letter, you don't have to file FTC complaints, you don't have to do anything but not buy their products. If, and when, they fix the ending, it won't be because you wrote them a letter. It'll be because they know that people will shill out 10 more dollars to get the ending that they "deserved." And I guarantee thats how they'll pitch it. Here gamers, here is the ending you deserver. Only ten more dollars.
Oh and two more things. Mass Effect is a good game. That's an opinion. The story in Mass Effect has a definitive ending. That's a fact. One is rooted in personal preference. The other is rooted in an absolute truth. They gave an ending, whether its the one you wanted or not. Even if the 3 choices amounted to nothing but the same cutscene, they delivered an ending. That's an absolute. And the happy ending I'm referring to is not the Paragon ending, but the ending as a whole. Whether or not you were renegade, paragon, or middle-man, however the ending actually comes about, its not going to satisfy anyone.
Guess what I did to Bioware personally. I stopped buying their products after Dragon Age. Why? Well, its was a crap story that no matter how you played it, had no bearing on the end game. The choices made during the game amounted to nothing as you get one of 3 endings which are dictated at the end of the game. Seriously, go play it if you haven't. Why Bioware doing this to ME3 is a big deal is beyond me as they do this to all of their games.
JMAN_B5
I never filed, nor supported an FTC complaint. Why do you insist on bringing up a subject that bears no consequence to this discussion? Is writing a letter (assuming it's polite and civil of course) wrong in your world? A definitive ending, is an OPINION. So you are criticizing me for saying I'll do something you already did? All I ever said is I respectfully told Bioware my issues with the ending, and if it isn't fixed I will no longer buy their games. Please tell me what is wrong with that? Do not bring in the FTC thing again, which I have already said many times I am against.
Mattwo
"Our message to Bioware is simple, if they do not fix the ending, they will no longer get future business from us. Simple as that. No threats"
I'm sorry what? You just contradicted yourself right there. That IS a threat. And it's also an incredibly immature threat.
And yes, if enough fans whine they will change it, that's not news I know. Do they have any right to whine like that? No they do not.
Sonic 4 sucked to me because sonic fans whined and got exactly what they wanted: NOTHING new. New gameplay elements mean jack to me when ALL of the enimes are from past games and all the bosses are re-hashes with ONE change that happens WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY ABOUT TO DIE ANYWAY.
Calling games the same as any other art style as well as calling it "serious" is also absurd I know. Just as absurd as him expecting for gamers to be serious.
JMAN_B5
You are the immature brat, sorry to say. Saying to a company, a business that if you don't fix a major screw up, you will no longer support them is how Capitalism works. Take some Economics classes, and educate yourself. You have every right to make your complaints heard to Sega, so make them heard!
Also, how in God's name is that an immature threat? An immature threat would threatening violence. How is me saying if I no longer like a company's product, that I will no longer support the company immature?????? Telling a business what you want is not whining. Where did you get this notion you are supposed to be completely submissive to a business's product?
By your logic, Coke never should have gone back from New Coke. The customers should have just continued buying the product they didn't like, and be happy about it.
Think about what you type first, and learn to think for yourself a bit. Don't be a bobble head to Bob. Most importantly, learn a little bit about economics, you clearly don't know how the system works.
P.S. You haven't rebutted anything I have said, just called me immature on a subject you clearly know next to nothing about.
JMAN_B5
His whole premise was wrong. He made no points at all. All of them were based on inaccurate assumptions. You can't make any decent points if you do not look into an issue properly.