Posted on April 23, 2012 - 10:40pm by moviebob
The OverThinker dives into the deep end of the Mass Effect 3 ending discussion (no spoilers!) in the wake of the DLC announcement.
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I agree with GO on this one
the twist of the necrothinker being the retrothinker was dark and saddening and i did not like it. I do not like it when my villains are not 100% unambigously evil. I and my fellow overthinker fans will now start a retake the overthinker movement until you fix this twist so that it is not depressing.
fuck it this whole episode DAMN RIGHT.
2:50 to 3:46 DAMN RIGHT.
I got a question, has Bob played FF XIII-2 yet? And if he has, what did he think OF THAT ENDING?!!
Both Klonoa games had pretty sad endings haha.
My god this show is getting hard to watch. The main and only complain about the ending is not the disappointment about the outcome itself, is the half-assed way that it was executed, only like a minute of cinematic. We don't ask for a whole remake of the game, the game itself was awesome, we just ask for an epilogue with a better explanation for the characters that we have become so attached to after hounders of hours invested in 3 different games. There is no way you could understand if you don't actually play the games (which I can totally tell you haven't), just watching the endings doesn't entitle you to act all high and mighty, do a proper research.
The irony being here of course that Bob is by far the biggest baby of all, spouting strawman arguments and diving under a rock when somebody less important than him breaks it down.
And what was with the whole film thing at the end? Crappy rushed ending that makes no sense is completely different than people being unhappy with a downer ending. See what I said about stawmen? Try harder Bob, the three little pigs could make a better case on the issue than you.
I agree with everything said in this video and couldn't have possibly said it better myself!
EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH THE INDOCTRINATION THEORY!!! It will seriously change your whole view of the ending
I think what Moviebob is trying to say...
Is that people need to grow the $%^& up and stop taking themselves so %^&ing seriously.
It does if you pay attention to the lore. No trade, no communication, no greater civilization, no unity, and every major home world had been ravaged by the Reapers to some extent already (places like Thessia and Palavin will have trouble recovering of their own accord if they can do it at all, and I don't see any way Earth can recover). We just disagree on this point. I found the ending empty and unsatisfying, and honestly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The last scene is my faithful crew running from the battle (they are running, please don't make me explain why), and they just get dumped on some random jungle planet. Especially since Bioware had ample opportunity to make the ending make sense with other aspects they'd already placed into the series, it was just a disappointing effort from a great studio and team. Amazing game. Terrible ending. And that matters because story is a major play aesthetic of the Mass Effect series. I think we're on the same page, we just have differing opinions :).
The UN-able-bodied krogan and the krogan females could repopulate Tuchanka, and the whole point behind retaking Rannoch was so the quarians would have a place to shelter their civilian population during the fighting. Also, if you ask me, the ending didn't show enough to imply much of anything xD
I think they would send almost all of their population. It's a fight to death for the very survival of the galaxy, why hold anything back? The entire Quarian fleet is there, and that has consisted of their entire species for three centuries. Wrex is definitely there, and knowing the Krogan, every single able-body would want to fight the Reapers. I see your point, but the ending just heavily implies that galactic society crumbles to pieces as a result of the relay destruction. When I beat the game I felt like I screwed the galaxy just as hard the Reapers would have...it didn't really feel like I saved anything.
I'm pretty sure the various races didn't send their entire populations to the Sol system, especially in the case of the Krogan and the Quarians (because that would just be plain silly), so I don't think it's fair to say everything you did amounted to *absolutely* nothing - but yeah, it's a pretty big downer that everyone who went to save Earth is now stuck there indefinitely.
However, I also believe that the destruction of the relay network was a crucial part of breaking the cycle and freeing the galaxy from the Reapers. Remember what Legion said back in 2 about how relying on the technology of others blinds you to alternatives? With the relays destroyed the younger races are free to strike out and chart their own courses.
Since politics (which I avoid avoid unless brought up by someone else) was included in this, at 3:15 I think you mean the gamer community version of Occupy Wall Street since it's the "Occupiers" & the Mass Effect crybabies who feel entitled to something that isn't theirs. The Tea Party's complaint is mainly about taxes, which are forcibly taken away by those of us who pay them, and the debt & deficit. Taxpayers have no choice in paying taxes (which are already seized before we get our paychecks) but do have a right to complain when they think they're being screwed & robbed when too many things get taxes & the rates are way too high. The idiots complaining about a game ending don't have a right to complain about it because they got what they *willingly* paid for, just like the "Occupiers" who *willing* buy products from the same corporations they protest. So both the Mass Effect crybabies & the Occupiers are a bunch of hypocrites.
With these precedents, I wonder when people "willingly* paying to see movies will complain about their endings.
I also hated the ending, but I (as well as others) have a different opinion on why. I think a lot of people would be happy with a single ending as long as that ending made sense in the context of the themes, story, and lore. It would be nice if the choices you made throughout the series had bearing on that, but the choices we made DID have an impact throughout 3...we just didn't get to see the finality of what they were. I see where you're coming from, but I believe the core of what's wrong with the ME3 ending goes deeper than "I didn't get to choose the ending" to a fundamental breakage in the narrative structure.
The problem with the ending is that everything you described as being "good" can't happen because of the destruction of the mass relays. Quarians can't go home, Turians can't go home, Krogan can't go home, etc., so everything you did throughout the game pretty much amounts to nothing even though you "defeated" the Reapers. People say, "why can't they just rebuild the relays?" It's well established that galactic society has no idea how the mass relays work. Even the Protheans, who were vastly technologically superior, only managed to build a small prototype (the conduit from ME1) as their crowning achievement, and that thing only shot in one direction. Not only would galactic citizens have to rebuild the relays (which would probably take longer than many have to live), but they would have to do so independently of one another. Even if the Sol Relay was fixed, you couldn't go anywhere unless its twin was fixed as well...of which the fleets don't have access to, and no communication can be sent out-system due to the comm buoys being down. Sorry...but I just don't see how you can salvage an ending like that. Here's hoping the expansion will shed some light.
Is it just my imagination, or did MovieBob just post eight to ten minutes worth of flamebait on ScrewAttack? Anywho...
In my opinion, the main problem with the ending wasn't that it was a downer ending. In the end (depending on your choices/ *spoiler warning*) the Earth is saved; the Reapers are gone for good; everyone in your crew, both past and present, is still alive (except for Thane and Mordin, but they died REALLY heroic deaths, not to mention they would have died soon anyway from kepral's syndrome and old age respectively); the quarians have their homeworld back and have made peace with the geth, who in turn have attained true intelligence and are helping the quarians rebuild; the krogan have been cured of the genophage and Wrex and Eve are leading them to a brighter future; the batarians have been almost completely wiped out by the Reapers (yes, I do consider that to be a good thing); and while Shepard apparently died when (s)he jumped into the crucible, we all know Shepard is very bad at staying dead.
All in all, I would call that a pretty "good" ending. I would also call it an "incomplete" ending. None of what I've mentioned above is actually shown in depth, or in most cases AT ALL, during the game's ending. Shepard jumps into the crucible, the Reapers leave, we get to see some pretty explosions, and the Normandy is inexplicably marooned on a garden world - and then the credits roll; all without a single line of dialogue. Imagine if Lord of the Rings: Return of the King had ended the instant the One Ring had been destroyed and the coronation scene / epiloguey goodness had been cut from the film.
Also, as MovieBob said himself, BioWare is releasing a story EXPANDING DLC, not a story CHANGING DLC, so most of what Bob says in this episode really doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the context of "oooh, gamers are ruining videogames as an artistic medium by forcing artists to fundamentally alter their work with their constant whining."
Normally you could compare a video game story to a movie story.... yea you cant do that with mass Effect. The point of the mass effect 3 ending hate, cause i'm one of those haters who believe we deserve a better ending.. i've never asked this from other games and movies im usually pretty accepting. but 1. I was promised 16 endings.. well i got 3 that are basically 1. Nothing you did in a game of CHOICE and were your ACTIONS affected the game came to play in the ending when i was told IT WOULD. I dont care how ended i really dont but if you dont make it happen the way you say it will, and you dont explain it and decided. "Hey lets call it art" No, Mass Effect is its own style of art but the art that it is was NOT reflected in the ending. And comparing a game were your actually choice comes into play over a 6 year period of time to a movie that lasted 2 hours.. is wrong..
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