Game Theory: Why the Official Zelda Timeline is Wrong
All video games share one universe. But not all video game universes are the same. The official Zelda timeline released by Nintendo proves it. But when is a Zelda timeline NOT a Zelda timeline? When it justifies every other bizarre video game easter egg and cameo the gaming industry has developed.
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if all universe are created at a certain point... doesn't mean they're all canon?
I've never really believed the bs Nintendo calls a timeline. To me "The Legend of Zelda" is just being retold from a different storyteller.
Your correct. The timeline will always continue. But what is said here is that only ONE of these time lines is the original world (which one, no one knows) but the other two if they are right, are different worlds, with a unique time line that started at OOT. His argument is NOT necessarily that it is wrong but it is a different world/universe, not a different time line(Time line being same world/universe). That is why he went in to such detailed explanation of the paralleled words theory.
I'm sorry but I don't understand your reasons for saying the Timeline is wrong. The way I see it, you only explained what happens when a game over happens. But I still don't understand what you mean by saying the Zelda Timeline is wrong. Its sounds more like you're adding more reason to how the Timeline is right. Link wins against ganon, the timeline splits. link fails. the timeline continues onward.
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But isnt Link reincarnated? and not jus one hero
cloud and sephiroth. AOW GOD! MY EYES!
or maybe not that much...probably there's 1 face less in mount rushmore...(he's there right?)
I just realized...After accidentally shooting George Washington in Assassin's Creed 3, I created a terrible timeline where the world [might be] changed completely...Epic fail...
I love the vid, but, although there's no evidence to say you're 'wrong' I do have another theory, Matt. The Timeline could be three separate splits, not an alternate universe. Let's assume that Link by default died. But we know through Majora's Mask that there is an influence in the Zeldaverse of a Goddess of Time. So imagine this; Link died by default (defeat timeline), goddess of time didn't like outcome, decided to change it. But what was the problem? He was too young. Notice that characters like Toon Link don't age in Wind Waker when obtaining the Master Sword. This 'second attempt' could be the idea of aging him to be old enough to actually beat the Dark Lord, since a kid with a fancy sword doesn't mean much. So to make him an adult, a THIRD timeline needs to be made. Now we have an unsung character, the King of Hyrule, who has a very different background for ALttP and WW. Let's say that Daphnes is the King from ALttP. In the sealing war, he's victorious, but in the adult timeline, he's so confident in Link's participation that he waits rather than protect the Sages. In the child timeline, Link goes back to before he met Zelda, to warn of Ganondorf's corruption. In the adult timeline though he's tricked and beaten. Hence Daphnes sense of guilt and responsibility for Hyrule's flooded state; he feels he COULD have done better, like he did alternatively in AlttP, but didn't. Another note; Three timelines represent three goddesses. This may be an unnecessary step (but hey, it's just a theory ;).) First, original one, Ganondorf beats Link, who is the patron of power, which is governed by Din. Then comes the time-influenced split, who is largely believed to be Nayru (what with the constant connection with Zelda, the colour blue, etc), and finally a third, which has, rather than the Hero of TIME, the Hero of WIND, which is in Farore's spell. This said, compare: Fires of War, Nayru's Love for giving Hyrule another chance to save factions like the Knights of Hyrule and spare numerous lives, and Farore, who's main power is Wind, what with the Wind waker, Hero of Wind, etc. This is significant I think because, in order of these timelines' creations, Din's, Nayru's, and Farore's - each is the order in which that goddess shaped the world.
But hey, it's just a theory ;). A game theory.
Actually you need to pay close attention to the words of Demise at the end of Legend of Zelda:Skyward Sword. Demise declares a curse on Link declaring that he, Link, and Princess Zelda are doomed to reincarnate infinitely to sate the dying demon`s lust for vengance. This means every time that Ganon appears, be it one from a previous game as is the case with him being the same Ganon from Ocarina of Time in Link to the Past, or a new incarnation like in Four Swords and Four Swords Adventure (he was not shown in the original Four Swords but was revealed to have a small hand in Vaati gaining freedom from the Four Swords both times.) A new incarnation of Link is born into the land so that when he is old enough he may face the new evil.
Once again, I have to clean up my exploded brain
Sounds like someone just got done playing Virtue's Last Reward.
I just wanted to say that you, Matpat, are pretty much the only reason I still come to this sham of Screwattack's former glory.
i have a theory:
The Adult timeline is actually the only one connected to the Link Dies timeline (the Downfall Timeline) as in the Hyrule Historia, it states that when Link dies in the final battle, this happens. Thus it solely runs parallel to the Adult timeline. This is the only branch that has been made as an "Alternative" timeline due to decisions (better known as the "What If" scenario). There could be other decisioning all throughout the Zelda universe but the only one that matters is the final battle of Ocarina of Time.
Now, I'm going to try to explain the split timeline of Ocarina of Time in game. After Link returns the master sword to the pedestal of time, he returns to the past along with the amount of time he spent in the other time so as to account with the thought that these two periods are connected by a link and must move at the same time. When Link is in the past, he is nowhere in the future, when he is in the future, he is in stasis in the past... not because he's going back to the future, but because he's going there for the first time. Zelda of the Future sends Link to a point in time before Link opens the Door of Time and in turn breaks the link that entwined the two time periods for Link... The Hero of Time now exists in what is called the Child Timeline, this timeline was created by Zelda at the end game.
Something I like to make clear is this: the timeline that is connected with the adult timeline is not the child timeline... all of Ocarina of time (Gameplay wise) is the Adult timeline.
In conclusion, the Adult timeline doesn't run at the same time as 2 other timelines throughout the game. Time is relevant within gameplay of Ocarina of Time. The Adult timeline spawns the Downfall Timeline as a result of a 'What If" scenario between Ganondorf and Link in the final battle. The Hero of Time Link only ever exists alive in one timeline at any one time. If someone wants to dispute what I have stated, they are welcome to try.
matt boy i was waiting for you to do the timeline awesome man
The Mario thing? Maybe, sure. Maybe I was misunderstanding him and saying the same thing.
The Zelda thing? No. Link dying, Link succeeding as an adult and Link succeeding as a child all deny the possibility of the other just as much. Even if the Link succeeding as a child reality requires him to have succeeded as an adult in the first place it has just as much denied the possibility of Link succeeding as an adult as him dying. Because Ganondorf has already been defeated there's no way he could be defeated in the future. Likewise, Link still could have died hundreds of times along the way. So while the two realities of Link succeeding as an adult and as a child may be closer together than with the one where link dies, I still don't see how they're anymore possible to have happened together than for link to have died, and coexist. They're all different realities. They all happened, we're only seeing a certain one at a time.
I understand what they were going for with the split-time line, I never agreed with it and I still don't.